Im curious if female aspies consider themselves "hyper logical"?

[xudo]

[A] I think it would be fair to say that testosterone hinders one’s ability to . . .
. . . think about and/or care about repercussions . . .
. . . emotionally and/or relationships . . .
. . . at some times and in some ways.

Maybe that's partly why I think more like a man then. I have PCOS and therefore higher testosterone than normal

 

[NothingToSeeHere]

I'm reasonably logical, more so than plenty of people, but I would not call myself hyper logical. More like just a bit above average. Although working amongst scientists logical thinking is common so I'd say I'm solidly average within the context of the people I interest with on a daily basis. I am certainly not a black and white thinker though, and I very aware of a wide spectrum of grey.

 

[illogical]

I hope it does not sound sexist to say that men and women think differently. Men tend to be more logical, black and white thinkers. I.e..the facts are all that matter, there is no grey area.Women on the other hand tend to think more wholistically and emotionally. You can call it right brain left brain if you want. I think its a good thing to have one balance the other.

My question is, as someone on the spectrum, i find myself being a "hyper-logical" thinker. More so than any NT man i know. I was wondering if women on the spectrum feel they are more black and white thinkers relative to an NT woman.

You absolutely DO NOT sound sexist. You're just wondering of a thought and asking a question and I see nothing offensive about that. I'm going to share what I learned in anthropology during my short run in college. And I am going to sound sexist to some people, and what I observed is this:
Males and females have different roles genetically and from the very way our brains work. Just like nt's and spectrumites, (I refer to people on the spectrum). Males at a basic level are made to make a lot of babies and protect. Females at the same basic level are wired to nurture these said babies. When you remove them from primitive reproductive roles and put these brain patterns in modern humans (we are animals) you get a solution similar to many of the things you see happening, such as, and I'll give a very simple common example: guy says dumb thing to wife that he didn't mean, wife goes completely apeshit by dumb thing that was said, guy doesn't know what he did wrong (I say guy over husband because it's shorter) and the choose your own ending story goes with however your imagination wants to go from here. Men think about sex more often than women because of the reproductive example I gave previously, and women do not as much because they are wired to nurture.

So it's no wonder why people tend to think men and women are different. They ARE. Men absolutely do have feelings and are nurturing but they do tend to appear more "logical", it's step by step patterns in thought processing. Women appear more "emotional" because they think in a feeling set of patterns of processing.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. It's nature. Evolution if you will. I'm explaining this from a very non-bias point of view.
However, I have noticed this to be somewhat different when referring to a person on the spectrum and I'll use myself as an example. I think very much "like a male", I am absolutely emotional and very nurturing to my kids and my animals and to my wife. But I am always the one saying something stupid, that I didn't realize would end me up in the dog house. Even though to me, I had no intent to hurt or stir anything up. But such has been the case my whole life, not just in my married life. I also think in very "step by step" patterns. I had to learn how to communicate socially this way. You apply it, since "social" is unnatural to me. Instead of becoming the "awkward introvert" I see other spectrumites being, I am socially strategic and because of it I am not shy and extroverted. I am a fixer.
I have found I am different than A LOT of women. I don't mind sharing that I work at a strip club, I feel this forum is a safe place to be able to share things I wouldn't normally feel comfortable sharing, plus being autistic the way I am, and have lots of trouble with past employment, I find this to be an easy source of income I can earn. But OMG I work with a bunch of flailing turkeys! Putting that lightly. I find a lot of the little things my co workers find negative to talk about or react the way they do, to be over the top. They sometimes get jealous over customers or clientele wanting to see someone other than them and it causes drama. Like how does anyone control that? You can't be there 24/7 and if you're not there, they're gonna see and want a dance from who's working, and if you're a kooky ***** and this other ladie is nicer than you, it would seem she "stole your customer". Nothing personal. It's known at work that I'm autistic so I don't get the same **** from the other girls that non-autistic women would receive, and thank you, God. I actually like the people I work with because they are so funny to talk to, but they are what I would consider insane lol. However, this is an example of how I notice I am different in my thinking patterns than other women. I don't seem to get jealous like this, like many women do, and if we weren't dancers I assume they would be reacting the same way in any other situation because of their personality. I find it to be a blessing really because that looks exhausting. I am gay and married to another women and I have the general "male roles" at home and I find that tiring enough. I have to be in charge of everything from fiscal finances to catching spiders and putting them outside (I don't like to kill anything, I can't even stand to kill maggots). My wife stays home, while I work, and takes care of our kids, we have three (2 of which are biologically mine), she cleans and makes meals. My role is to provide, hers is to nurture. If you simplify it. When I'm home I get to be the "FUN PARENT"! I love it.

Anyway that's my take on men and women's differences in thinking patterns. I know it may offend those "gender fluid" agenda driver types who believe in anything over science, so here's my disclaimer that I'm not trying to cause that kind of argument. It's just my observation and life experience.

Thank you,

 

[Khendra]

illogical, your points remind me of a major socio-moral issue I've battled for years. I'm in a distinct minority, I know it, and it's frustrating as can be. I can't relate to most women over it, and there are no good resources for me to cope with it.

Anyway, the issue is, I'm MUCH more easily aroused visually that the common woman is, and yet due to my appearance, most men don't find me attractive. In the vast majority of cases, both secular and religious, women are not easily aroused visually, and yet they tempt men all the time with their looks.

We absolutely CANNOT empathize with each other. Both sides will resort to the more common problem, and will use both religion or evolution to support their point.

But what about someone like me, who can surf porn pics of naked men for hours? Where does that play into religion or evolution? Is it still a sin (it would appear so, but you'd be amazed at how much harder it is to fight temptation when so many people think it doesn't exist for women)? Am I not really female enough, even though biologically it's clear that I am? I mean, what with autism and all, I'm not only less adept at empathizing, but then I've got this hypersexual thing on top of it, and I cannot relate to the women who constantly go on about their low sex drives and their history of being "objectified."

I'm not empathetic. I'm not objectified. I have a massive sex drive. I'm visually stimulated by men.

I'm just not female enough, I guess, because apparently women are empathetic, easily objectified (and complain about it continually), have low sex drives, and are rarely visually stimulated by men.

It's a very isolating place to be, to have this unique set of problems.

 

[illogical]

illogical, your points remind me of a major socio-moral issue I've battled for years. I'm in a distinct minority, I know it, and it's frustrating as can be. I can't relate to most women over it, and there are no good resources for me to cope with it.

Anyway, the issue is, I'm MUCH more easily aroused visually that the common woman is, and yet due to my appearance, most men don't find me attractive. In the vast majority of cases, both secular and religious, women are not easily aroused visually, and yet they tempt men all the time with their looks.

We absolutely CANNOT empathize with each other. Both sides will resort to the more common problem, and will use both religion or evolution to support their point.

But what about someone like me, who can surf porn pics of naked men for hours? Where does that play into religion or evolution? Is it still a sin (it would appear so, but you'd be amazed at how much harder it is to fight temptation when so many people think it doesn't exist for women)? Am I not really female enough, even though biologically it's clear that I am? I mean, what with autism and all, I'm not only less adept at empathizing, but then I've got this hypersexual thing on top of it, and I cannot relate to the women who constantly go on about their low sex drives and their history of being "objectified."

I'm not empathetic. I'm not objectified. I have a massive sex drive. I'm visually stimulated by men.

I'm just not female enough, I guess, because apparently women are empathetic, easily objectified (and complain about it continually), have low sex drives, and are rarely visually stimulated by men.

It's a very isolating place to be, to have this unique set of problems.

Honestly youre not alone. I'm a very visual person when it comes to sexual stimulation. Anything other would be insane.
I'm also sure that there is nothing wrong with the way you react to stimulie. But coming from me, I don't let society or religion dictate my ethics on whatever it is they want us to feel ashamed of. Otherwise I'd be in straight camp. Oh the horror

 

[Datura]

Perhaps my perspective is skewed, given my extensive involvement in the queer community, but I believe that there is significant overlap in male an female behavior. Statistically, I think there are definitely behavioral differences between the sexes, but that on an individual level there is much more variation between individuals. Societal gender roles merely serve to stereotype and exaggerate these differences, much to the chagrin of those who fall outside the norm.

As for the role of biology, I think it is difficult to deny, but we must also be skeptical of scientific interpretations. Science is supposed to be objective, but it is still possible (nigh unavoidable) that our interpretations, and even our experimental designs will be biased by our own culturally indoctrinated belief systems.

 

[Khendra]

Statistically, I think there are definitely behavioral differences between the sexes, but that on an individual level there is much more variation between individuals.

Perfectly stated. I wish more people recognized this and discussed/responded to it accordingly.