If she "doesn't believe in guns", then why was she even in the shop? (Unless it's the kind of place that sells things that are not gun related as well. Do such places exist?).
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Girl Warriors
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If she "doesn't believe in guns", then why was she even in the shop? (Unless it's the kind of place that sells things that are not gun related as well. Do such places exist?).
For me currently, it does not necessarily follow that "your heros"
are there, as from comic books, and they are needed or are used
because one is thought to need validation.
This sort of thinking seems to me to require a good deal more
exploration, while for me presently, it seems to be too much as
as any kind of reasonable assertion, as we think about women.
I suggest trying some other thinking on this.
FlowerChild
Well-Known Member
(Side note: if you want a well-rounded scholarly approach to Wonder Woman and feminism, basically ignore 90% of what has been posted in this forum, and please see sources linked below).
There is sooooo much misinformation in this thread. No time to reply individually; I just want to point a few things out to everyone here. I have always found this forum fairly accepting, open-minded, and welcoming, but the responses and hate on this thread really get me down and upset me, and I'm really disappointed in this community right now—especially the attitudes towards women and feminists. This post is aimed at everyone who has posted here criticising 'feminists' or 'women' as a whole group, and saying broad, sweeping generalised statements like 'all feminists/women hate wonder woman because [insert reason here]', followed by posters like Sylar and many others saying things like 'feminists aren't worth listening to' or Shiznown who think that all women who are contemporary feminists have a 'victim complex' etc. As a feminist who is fascinated by Wonder Woman, I feel a need to chime in.
When people accuse 'feminists’ or ‘women’ of hypocrisy as a collective group (i.e. by saying 'you all complain about slut shaming and then complain when a female character has her butt showing'), it is basically the equivalent of saying 'you election voters, you all think abortion should be illegal, but here you are voting for the right to euthanise the terminally ill'. Obviously we know that in any election, there are at least two different 'sides to the story'--not everyone who votes in an election is voting for the same thing. The same is true for feminism. In the same way there is more than one branch of politics (i.e. conservative, liberal, etc.) there is more than one branch of feminism. There are liberal feminists, who believe women should be treated equally to men within the current social structure; radical feminists who believe women cannot be treated equally to men within a societal structure designed by and for the benefit of men--the list goes on, and most feminists are probably some combination of categories rather than fitting strictly into one category. So of course it sounds a bit silly when you try to vilify a group and invalidate their arguments by saying ‘how can you feminists blah blah blah, you're so hypocritical’. You're talking about 'all feminists' as if there is only one side to the feminist debate, and in reality you're homogenising a multitude of different groups, political movements, histories, and ideologies into one 'feminist' identity. Some feminists love Wonder Woman, some probably can't stand her, and most are probably somewhere in between like me--generally admiring of Wonder Woman, but with certain concerns based on her presentation and historical existence and consumption. Please educate yourselves on both sides of what you're saying before you start slandering huge groups of people whose political views and histories you evidently know NOTHING about.
Finally, as promised, Wonder Woman sources for those interested:
Jill Lepore, a Harvard academic, Reveals Wonder Woman’s Secret History in a radio show (this is amazing, by the way) http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/03/02/4189133.htm
Wonder Women! The Untold Story of American Superheroines
A documentary wherein famed female historical figures and feminists discuss the impact Wonder Woman has had upon them.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2070853/
In case anyone is considering replying, if you are only here to troll and claim that 'feminism is evil', I won't bother to reply, as I can't even believe I took the time to write this in the first place (online arguing is not my thing, and I mostly enjoy these forums from a friendly standpoint, and try to stay out of the threads that seem as hostile as this one does).
There is sooooo much misinformation in this thread. No time to reply individually; I just want to point a few things out to everyone here. I have always found this forum fairly accepting, open-minded, and welcoming, but the responses and hate on this thread really get me down and upset me, and I'm really disappointed in this community right now—especially the attitudes towards women and feminists. This post is aimed at everyone who has posted here criticising 'feminists' or 'women' as a whole group, and saying broad, sweeping generalised statements like 'all feminists/women hate wonder woman because [insert reason here]', followed by posters like Sylar and many others saying things like 'feminists aren't worth listening to' or Shiznown who think that all women who are contemporary feminists have a 'victim complex' etc. As a feminist who is fascinated by Wonder Woman, I feel a need to chime in.
When people accuse 'feminists’ or ‘women’ of hypocrisy as a collective group (i.e. by saying 'you all complain about slut shaming and then complain when a female character has her butt showing'), it is basically the equivalent of saying 'you election voters, you all think abortion should be illegal, but here you are voting for the right to euthanise the terminally ill'. Obviously we know that in any election, there are at least two different 'sides to the story'--not everyone who votes in an election is voting for the same thing. The same is true for feminism. In the same way there is more than one branch of politics (i.e. conservative, liberal, etc.) there is more than one branch of feminism. There are liberal feminists, who believe women should be treated equally to men within the current social structure; radical feminists who believe women cannot be treated equally to men within a societal structure designed by and for the benefit of men--the list goes on, and most feminists are probably some combination of categories rather than fitting strictly into one category. So of course it sounds a bit silly when you try to vilify a group and invalidate their arguments by saying ‘how can you feminists blah blah blah, you're so hypocritical’. You're talking about 'all feminists' as if there is only one side to the feminist debate, and in reality you're homogenising a multitude of different groups, political movements, histories, and ideologies into one 'feminist' identity. Some feminists love Wonder Woman, some probably can't stand her, and most are probably somewhere in between like me--generally admiring of Wonder Woman, but with certain concerns based on her presentation and historical existence and consumption. Please educate yourselves on both sides of what you're saying before you start slandering huge groups of people whose political views and histories you evidently know NOTHING about.
Finally, as promised, Wonder Woman sources for those interested:
Jill Lepore, a Harvard academic, Reveals Wonder Woman’s Secret History in a radio show (this is amazing, by the way) http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/03/02/4189133.htm
Wonder Women! The Untold Story of American Superheroines
A documentary wherein famed female historical figures and feminists discuss the impact Wonder Woman has had upon them.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2070853/
In case anyone is considering replying, if you are only here to troll and claim that 'feminism is evil', I won't bother to reply, as I can't even believe I took the time to write this in the first place (online arguing is not my thing, and I mostly enjoy these forums from a friendly standpoint, and try to stay out of the threads that seem as hostile as this one does).
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Loomis
Well-Known Member
I like a strong, tough, feisty woman. A woman who is courageous and confronts me gets my respect. I prefer a woman who is my intellectual equal. It is even better if she is good at things I am not and I am good at things she is less good at. For example my ex-wife was a great writer whereas I was more skilled in math and science. We complemented each other.
What I don't like? A submissive woman who will do whatever I ask for and is afraid to speak up for her self. No thank you----very boring. Give me someone who can stand toe to toe as my equal.
What I don't like? A submissive woman who will do whatever I ask for and is afraid to speak up for her self. No thank you----very boring. Give me someone who can stand toe to toe as my equal.
Radical feminism is the mainstream, so identifying with that movement; you are identifying as being a radicalist. If you are truly for equality, why not identify as a egalitarian; whom many feminists hate by the way. Feminism WAS a good thing, but it has been taken over and corrupted. There is no oppression of women in the western world anymore. There is plenty in the middle east, but good luck getting a feminist to actually focus on that. No, we better not piss off the "religion of peace". Where is the outrage from feminists that women in countries like Saudi Arabia, cannot leave their house without a man, cannot make decisions and are treated as second class citizens? Oh, no some video game character showed her ass, that's what we should focus on. Feminism has become nothing but a movement to demonize men and see men as less valuable and to advocate censorship. Do you advocate censorship, because I can't tell if you do after reading your post. You see, I actually care about women being stoned to death if they are raped and gays being executed; unlike mainstream feminists, I care.
THank you!
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