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The struggles

We have social anxiety that prevents us from socializing very well.
We say only a couple of words or absolutely no words unless absolutely needed.
We’ve all managed to figure out our alphabet, some simple math, etc.

You may or may not recall when learning to do some basic math it was a bit hard at first but after we started doing it more it gradually became easier, so why is it that we haven’t tried it with socializing? Why haven’t we begun to seek more social interactions which in my belief might just help socializing become as easy as knowing 2 + 2 or even your dare of birth.

Do we refuse to try because our brain is saying “what if this, what if that...” do we refuse because we don’t know what to say or how to continue on a conversation? Maybe?

So if we’re able to ignore the what if thoughts, and be able to know what to say, and be able to continue a conversation, would that allow you to socialize? Or would you still feel trapped? Because i believe that with practice & dedication we’d be able to do all of that, but why don’t we?

Unlike math, where there are clear right/wrong answers, socializing isn't nearly as black or white. What is considered "right" socially not only varies depending on the person you are interacting with, but the culture itself and the time period. Not only that, but people tend to not tell other people what they are doing wrong socially because it's considered rude. This makes it even harder for those on the autism spectrum to improve their communication skills.

There are plenty of self-help books and guides online that help point out those social rules that people aren't explicitly taught, but expected to know. But knowing what they are is only half the battle, you must also know how and when you need to apply them, which can be tricky for aspies especially since as I said before the social rules can vary depending on who you are around.
 
We have social anxiety that prevents us from socializing very well.
We say only a couple of words or absolutely no words unless absolutely needed.
We’ve all managed to figure out our alphabet, some simple math, etc.

You may or may not recall when learning to do some basic math it was a bit hard at first but after we started doing it more it gradually became easier, so why is it that we haven’t tried it with socializing? Why haven’t we begun to seek more social interactions which in my belief might just help socializing become as easy as knowing 2 + 2 or even your dare of birth.

Do we refuse to try because our brain is saying “what if this, what if that...” do we refuse because we don’t know what to say or how to continue on a conversation? Maybe?

So if we’re able to ignore the what if thoughts, and be able to know what to say, and be able to continue a conversation, would that allow you to socialize? Or would you still feel trapped? Because i believe that with practice & dedication we’d be able to do all of that, but why don’t we?
I've arrived at the same dubious conclusion myself many times. I've convinced myself that if I could only put a straight jacket around the negative self talk and catastrophe predicting that I would, somehow, become more social. Unfortunately this conviction ignores two important aspects of the 'social' world.

Firstly, and perhaps more importantly, all social interactions are contextual. I've learned the hard way that social skills hard won in one context don't necessarily transfer to another. When I was a support worker I could interview even small groups of people successfully but found it excruciating to 'shoot the breeze' with colleagues during a break. I knew what was expected but couldn't do it: I couldn't keep up. So one thing we forget is that the social world is context specific, but there is something else we also forget.

Social interaction requires you to sync your self contained world with the world of 'others'. Mediating between these two worlds in notoriously difficult for those of us with ASD. For starters, we have to manage our emotions and expectations while trying to translate symbols from one mode into the other. Add to this the fact that our nervous system is likely on high alert, and it's not difficult to see why we struggle.

None of this is to say that it can't be done. It can. I have managed to 'chew the cud' successfully with complete strangers, albeit in a superficial way. Then again, talking to strangers is always superficial, isn't it? The problem is that there has to be a lot of neatly lined up ducks for me to pull this off, and if one of my ducks is down; for example, I am on the way to being overloaded or my depression is biting, then I won't have the energy to try.

SO, while I think the ability to restrain the nagging mind will help, socialising will be, for me at least, an effortful activity; one that I can engage in only when 'the stars are aligned', when I am calm enough, relaxed enough and hopeful enough. That is, I don't think it will ever become automatic. Even if I mastered my social multiplication tables socializing will never be as easy as 1,2,3.
 
Being overly self-conscious in new social settings can easily make a person feel awkward and afraid. There are some skills that can ease the anxiety. Maybe it is our culture, but feel we have to be witty and appear intelligent in the first 20 seconds of talking to a stranger. Ice-breaking conversation is much easier if you adopt a few skills that seem to work for most people. Small-talk is meaningless banter, yet we are expected to perform our meaningless banter with grace and charm. There is a reason why people discuss the weather when they don't know what to say. It is a safe topic, but it doesn't lead to anything interesting. If you ask some questions that are not too personal, you can get a conversation going. The answer to your question becomes a topic for a comment or a new question, i.e., "How do you know the host"? If you pay enough attention to the answer, you get new ideas on conversation topics. You can also volunteer your own answer to that same question. The real key to it is paying attention to the person with whom you are conversing. If you feel self-conscious, you don't hear or see anything. This condition is not exclusive to Aspies - but we understand it better than most.

I believe that conversation anxiety is like stage fright. You are so nervous about being scrutinized that you can't remember your lines. Conversation is more like tennis - one serves and the other returns. Once the game begins, you relax more and enjoy it for what it is.
Conversation shouldn't be a chore. Many people have trouble starting a conversation with a stranger for the same reasons that you have. A lot of people are grateful that you initiated the contact. There are a lot of nice people out there and we all need a jump-start once in a while.
 
We have social anxiety that prevents us from socializing very well.

This is not true for me.

I have neurodevelopmental cognitive differences that cause social difficulties -- differences that make it hard for most people to understand me, and for me to understand them.

Social anxiety is not the problem for me.
 
Who is this "we" you're talking about? You're not describing all aspies. I'm sure I'm not alone in not having social anxiety. I have no reason to try socializing with 99% of the people I meet, because we have nothing in common. Five minutes with most people and they are already boring me to tears.
WE is the forum in general, especially those who know me well. Like @Fridgemagnetman .
It is a joke about me being able to make people think I am a sweet social person.
Actually, like you, I am bored within 5 mins. with 99% of most people I meet due to nothing in common.
I find interesting people and topics here though.
 
This is not true for me.

I have neurodevelopmental cognitive differences that cause social difficulties -- differences that make it hard for most people to understand me, and for me to understand them.

Social anxiety is not the problem for me.

The same is true for me. Many or most of my social difficulty is due to differences in cognitive style. For example, I view effusive gushing friendliness as fake and possibly dangerous. I think, this person can't genuinely be this friendly with me, they just met me, they're working an angle. Meanwhile, their "angle" is that they're trying to crack my hard outer shell and they're using the only tool they have (ingratiating hale-and-hearty buddy-buddy friendliness), and somehow they still think I'm worth the effort.

I also tend to be way more honest and straightforward than the vast majority of NTs. Not to the point of nitpicking (I hope!) but there are still a lot of things I haven't figured out yet. I can't tell if someone wants my honest opinion or are just looking for confirmation, which gets me into a fair amount of trouble. Of course, it's stuff like this that leads me to agonize over social interactions because I'm afraid that missing one little social cue will make me seem like the biggest jerk in the world.

So, like you, social anxiety is not the problem for me. Cognitive differences are, but I also have social anxiety, probably as a byproduct of the cognitive differences.
 
WE is the forum in general, especially those who know me well. Like @Fridgemagnetman .
It is a joke about me being able to make people think I am a sweet social person.
Actually, like you, I am bored within 5 mins. with 99% of most people I meet due to nothing in common.
I find interesting people and topics here though.

I used to be this way. With practice, I can find common ground with more people now. Most people still bore me to tears, but it's more like 60-75% of people than 99%. However, I still only really connect with that one percent of people.

The bad part of this is that being bored to tears is a two-way street. The good part is that the genuine connections I've made have been very strong and are very special to me.
 

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