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Do you enjoy being an aspie/autist?

I don't like every part of being Autistic ... the social anxiety, executive dysfunction, and stress I struggle with are far from enjoyable, but I enjoy being quirky, and generally different to most people in our conformist society.

My Autism influences every part of who I am, from the way I perceive things, how I handle various situations, to my interests and emotions. If my Autism were somehow "removed" I wouldn't be who I am, and ... I like being me. :)
 
"And don't most reasonable NTs want to see unity that works in favor of them?"

No.

The problems you see in getting Aspies/HFA's to join in and work together are universal to NT's also.

In my decades of working (I retired several years ago) it was obvious that most of the people in my job or shift would do better to help each other quite often and generally to cooperate in doing the work flow. That was my perspective as an Aspie. (I did not even know about the Spectrum until after I retired.) My efforts to try to get the others (NT's) to cooperate for mutual benefit were repulsed strongly and I found myself under attack. The higher level bosses liked my productivity and work ethic so I survived; it was tough. Sometimes I survived because I felt like my (largely German roots on all sides of my family tree) ancestry made me tougher than those attacking (most of them were proud of their British Isles heritage; but I have that, also). More likely it was the Aspie mentality/characteristics that let me stay with logical and goal intensive decisions rather than emotional responses. Whatever.

The rejection of cooperative efforts that you see with individuals who are on the Spectrum are normal human reactions that are universal to NT's and to those on the Spectrum. We (Aspie's and all the others on the Spectrum) are really not that different for the most part.

Normal people (men?) are overly proud of being self-sufficient; do not want to share any glory for achievement; are contemptuous of those who do not achieve their levels or follow their methods; are seriously to insanely jealous of those who might accomplish more or do better and, rather than trying harder or cooperating, will work quite hard at pulling down or destroying the high achievers. Highly politically incorrect comment but in my experience, truth. All this is usually hidden under the veneer of smiles and nice words, of course. It is not quite as true of Aspie's because we really do think differently. At least to some degree.

If anyone reading the above does not like it: Maybe I am having a bad day or week. I do think it is valid.

Cheers!
 
Dusty's comments just make me more convinced that I love being an Autie.

Times may be different. Now, we need to learn to work together because of our conflicts. And because it is not expected for Auties, with our different views, to work together, we will have to accept our situation and focus individually, as what he says, 'productivity and work-ethic'. We have lots to learn from German people.

For those who do not even work on their own work ethic just to make society better, and even destroy it - I have 190's comments on 'fitting in with society' in my mind, which does not work for creative types of Aspies who are more productive when they just keep writing and drawing and thinking, regardless of 'fit in society' - all the more, we should all listen to our innate talents and do the best they can be.

That's why I am proud to be an Autie. I do not see conflict or drama, I do not see deviants etc. I only know whether something works, and if it does, then we'll either make it work, or make it work later.
 
Normal people (men?) are overly proud of being self-sufficient; do not want to share any glory for achievement; are contemptuous of those who do not achieve their levels or follow their methods; are seriously to insanely jealous of those who might accomplish more or do better and, rather than trying harder or cooperating, will work quite hard at pulling down or destroying the high achievers. Highly politically incorrect comment but in my experience, truth. All this is usually hidden under the veneer of smiles and nice words, of course. It is not quite as true of Aspie's because we really do think differently. At least to some degree.

I hear you! Yes, there is still a stripe of that in humanity. It'll take some time before those traits get evolved out!

Your description reminds me of Nietzche's A Genealogy of Morals. This sounds like what he called "slave morality". That's where there is no "greater" good; your idea of right and wrong is that you are being oppressed, therefore anything bad for your enemies is good for you. That's opposed to "aristocratic morality", where there is a sense of good as something greater than yourself. (Correct me if I remember this one wrong!) Like how Voltaire could say, "to forgive our enemies their virtures--that is the greater miracle." That was a big light-bulb moment for me, realizing the difference between slave morals and aristocratic morals. That's how I got over the whole political "left/right" dichotomy. Your description of "normal people" touches on the narcissism rampant in our society.

If you're truly good, you appreciate good wherever it comes. I love the book "First, Break All the Rules", the business book where they surveyed workers and looked at what was said about managers who were considered "great" managers, not just adequate. One of the qualities the great ones had in common was that they knew that the smartest thing you can do is surround yourself with people who are better than you.

(I realize that quoting Nietzche and Voltaire in the same paragraph is Frasier Crane-like, snobby name-dropping, but I should point out that I know that Voltaire quote from the G.I. Joe file card for Cobra's ace fighter pilot, Wild Weasel, which was the figure that came with the Cobra Rattler plane, I believe. Joe pilot Wild Bill was quoted as saying that about his nemesis.)
 
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One thing I truly, deeply love about being an Aspie, and I know this may seem like a stretch to many, but I don't really care and that's why I write it here -- I feel, deep down, that we're part of a species-wide genetic mutation, part of a shift towards a humanity that's much more suited to a world loaded with people. We're honest people, free of guile. That's more highly evolved than putting on whatever veneer suits you at the moment.

I have a lot more to say on this matter, but I think that Aspie traits will be seen (historically, a long time from now) to be a more practical way to exist now that we have to get along with each other, for real. As McLuhan observed, electricity connects us all. The world now has a layer where we're connected electronically into a global village.

It's only been a very recent development in human history that we don't have to fight against nature or warring bands of strangers to avoid getting killed (for the most part). We were relative barbarians for a long time. This world where we're all connected--historically speaking, it's brand new.
 
I certainly love the idea of Aspies emerging as a genetic minority that will be naturally selected for the modern environment. It makes so much sense. If humanity plans to pool ideas from different nations, groups and individuals, a more open, rational and modest mindset will need to be adopted, otherwise so many innovative ideas will get lost in a tangle of false pretences, intellectual resentment and cowardly conservatism.

I think it really comes back to that Emperor's New Clothes analogy. Kudos to the person who came up with that, even though *gasp* it wasn't me:(, and that means that someone else is going get praise that I won't get:cry:. How dare they!:stomp:

We are people who see the world for what it is, and describe it as it is. If it wasn't for people like us, that poor Emperor would have continued that nude parade because no one else had the guts to say that they couldn't see any clothes on him.
 
Well,idk,once in a while,i dont really like the idea. but for the most part,since it is mild,i think its ok :) when i think about careers and relationships and stuff like that,i tend to dislike it more.
 
@Daniel: I love your optimistic view and I can see where you are coming from. However as an Aspie who's only been diagnosed for a few years but has struggled for 14 years in an unhappy marriage to an NT I'm not quite so optimistic. I sincerely hope that all the younger visitors to AspiesCentral take advantage of knowing who they are (and why) when they choose their partners.

Perhaps you are right; but only if we can flourish a day truly be ourselves. My life has been so compromised in a desperate attempt to make my wife happy to the extent that many of my positive AS traits have been very squashed. Had I had more understanding and kindness I feel that I could have done so much more with my life and that makes me sad...

In answering the question "Do you enjoy being an Aspie?" I would have to say yes and no... I am happy (i.e. I enjoy life) when I'm achieving my goals and depressed when I'm not.
I don't have a strong urge to be social but when I need to be social it would be great if it all came naturally instead of it being so forced.

Like many of you, my attention to detail, ability to focus on a task all day and attention to detail have enabled me to do well - thankfully.
 
@Daniel: I love your optimistic view and I can see where you are coming from. However as an Aspie who's only been diagnosed for a few years but has struggled for 14 years in an unhappy marriage to an NT I'm not quite so optimistic. I sincerely hope that all the younger visitors to AspiesCentral take advantage of knowing who they are (and why) when they choose their partners.

Perhaps you are right; but only if we can flourish a day truly be ourselves. My life has been so compromised in a desperate attempt to make my wife happy to the extent that many of my positive AS traits have been very squashed. Had I had more understanding and kindness I feel that I could have done so much more with my life and that makes me sad...

Yes, I agree with you there... I have the optimism for future generations, and it feels good to express it, but that's tempered by the reality of things as they are now. It's a cold comfort at best. I have struggled with it, and so have others I've known who have had it much worse. An Aspie today is like a beta version of a better future. Unfortunately, there are still a lot of bugs to be worked out in the new operating system! :)

I was extremely fortunate that my social isolation made me available when the right partner came along. She's a great fit for an Aspie, and we tend to be strong in the areas where the other is weak.
 
I was extremely fortunate that my social isolation made me available when the right partner came along. She's a great fit for an Aspie, and we tend to be strong in the areas where the other is weak.

I agree that you were fortunate and I hope your relationship continues to blossom for many years to come. Perhaps life will be better for future generations of Aspies especially if they can find partners who accept them and work with them well.
 
I agree that you were fortunate and I hope your relationship continues to blossom for many years to come. Perhaps life will be better for future generations of Aspies especially if they can find partners who accept them and work with them well.

Thank you! "Blossom" is a great word for it, because we really do grow together. We talk very well. She is very honest and sincere, and doesn't rely on subtext. She tells you what's what! :)
 
My son is 7 and was diagnosed with autism a few years ago. I don't know how he feels he doesn't speak a lot and has a hard time dealing with his emotions. It's hard for us because we want to help him but we don't really know how :/
 
I like the diagnosis, because it's made me realize how valued I really am, and the fact I am different makes me so different from the NTs! But the thing I don't like is the constant meltdowns, outbursts, tantrums, social anxiety, and the inability from my friends and family to accept it! Can't they accept me for who I am and help me through it? Not make my life hell? - It's a real problem in today's society whereas people like us are labelled as "outcasts" and bullied by today's society, because "they" think we are easy targets, so they bully us. - Question arises though, why bully a person with autism? It's because NTs today call it a mental disorder and not a form of autism. I had a session on Monday (yesterday) at college in Tutorial about Equality and Diversity. The session was totally wrong, as they categorized "Aspergers" as being a mental disorder. It's definitely not, it's a form of autism and I think colleges and schools should educate it better, or namely research AS itself and find out. My clinical psychiatrist was fuming, and my support worker at college! Why talk about something that is part of autism, research it differently and group it with the rest of the mental disorders / illnesses.

Let's make our voice heard and correct today's society.
 
.....Can't they accept me for who I am and help me through it? Not make my life hell? - It's a real problem in today's society.......

Let's make our voice heard and correct today's society.


Thank you so much Jordan. You have stated here very clearly exactly how I feel right now. (And sorry by the way if you feel I have been too selective in editing your quote.)

I was diagnosed by Maxine Aston several years ago and I have since tried unsuccessfully to explain my diagnosis to my family and close friends. My family just think that I have accepted the diagnosis in order to keep my wife happy i.e. To give her an excuse for treating me badly (their view not mine i.e I'm not saying she treats me badly). They think they know what Aspergers Syndrome looks like because they have met a young man with it and he exhibits very differently to me. My wife and I are almost certain that my Mum is an Aspie along with my brother and sister. Perhaps another source of their reluctance is because they recognise that they are very much like me and so if they accept my diagnosis they would have to think seriously about themselves.

Some of our friends, those who have family members who could well be on the Autistic spectrum, have accepted my diagnosis but others haven't. The problem is that when they don't accept it they don't do it graciously. Instead they seem to see it as their mission, or duty, as my friend to convince me of the error of my ways. They too see my wife as being extremely emotional and demanding and because they don't recognise my diagnosis they don't support my wife in her difficulties living with me.

I am now at the point where I'm considering being much more bold and public about who I am so that all our friends will have to pay attention and either stop fighting me or stop being my friend. I have never informed my employer or colleagues that I'm an Aspie and I'm a little concerned that word could/would get back to them if I become much more open. However I am starting to realise that I need to do this for my sanity and that of my wife.
 
I have broke down your quote and highlighted it and made some arguments to what I am suggesting "what people can change towards today's society." As I feel that this is a strong issue that needs to be brought up in all aspects. And being an "aspie" I have the experience and the knowledge to let everyone know that I am different, and that everyone should accept us aspies into today's modern society,

Thank you so much Jordan. You have stated here very clearly exactly how I feel right now. (And sorry by the way if you feel I have been too selective in editing your quote.)

That is fine by me, I just feel that the college, namely, label us as wrong people. And we are called names like "emo", "mental" , "retard". I could think of more names, but I feel that it would be too inappropriate to say on these forums. I think that they should educate us properly, and NOT have a normal tutor, who knows nothing about it teach it! Have a specialist, like a person with "Aspergers", namely a success story e.g Bill Gates, to actually teach pupils, college students, and that today's society is labeling us as "mental". I feel like the government is also ignoring us. But recent personal research shows that they are changing that in May with categorizing everyone with AS under autism. But the point is that they should teach Aspergers Syndrome correctly in college from a specialist that has actually experienced what it's like to be an "aspie". Not let the tutors educate it.

I was diagnosed by Maxine Aston several years ago and I have since tried unsuccessfully to explain my diagnosis to my family and close friends. My family just think that I have accepted the diagnosis in order to keep my wife happy i.e. To give her an excuse for treating me badly (their view not mine i.e I'm not saying she treats me badly). They think they know what Aspergers Syndrome looks like because they have met a young man with it and he exhibits very differently to me. My wife and I are almost certain that my Mum is an Aspie along with my brother and sister. Perhaps another source of their reluctance is because they recognise that they are very much like me and so if they accept my diagnosis they would have to think seriously about themselves.

Yes, family are a pain, and they should see that us "aspies" are different from NTs. If you ever follow me on Twitter, I have outbursts and I tweet the outburst out, so that someone can hear my call and help. Because if you don't fight the war, you are never going to win the battle, and that is a strong point made. We are going to have tantrums, fights, outbursts, but it's what makes "us" us, and neurotypicals have a chance to change their attitude towards people with Aspergers Syndrome. Namely doing these specialist sessions in colleges to help raise awareness that we are different, and it's not a mental disorder and it's a form of autism and it's what makes yourself different from that crowd, and help people understand it. TV campaigns have been around, but people are often not even "bothered" to care. I am followed by numerous campaigns, namely one called AmbitiousAboutAutism, they featured themselves on Lorraine explaining what autism is and how it affects the person inside, and what parents can do to help, but I feel like these cries from campaigns are being ignored, and that people should hear our cry!

Some of our friends, those who have family members who could well be on the Autistic spectrum, have accepted my diagnosis but others haven't. The problem is that when they don't accept it they don't do it graciously. Instead they seem to see it as their mission, or duty, as my friend to convince me of the error of my ways. They too see my wife as being extremely emotional and demanding and because they don't recognise my diagnosis they don't support my wife in her difficulties living with me.

Exactly! My family says it is wrong for them to "label" me. To which point I try to explain to them, "it's what makes "me" me, and if you don't like it, then go away!" - It's really upsetting to know that "I am an outcast from others" and namely my family doesn't accept the fact that I am different and it effects me in numerous different ways: sensory issues, social difficulties, meltdowns; they all need to accept us for who we are. Or what is the point of them actually being there for us, is all they do is throw negativity at you because "you are who you are". It really gets me distressed. :/


I am now at the point where I'm considering being much more bold and public about who I am so that all our friends will have to pay attention and either stop fighting me or stop being my friend. I have never informed my employer or colleagues that I'm an Aspie and I'm a little concerned that word could/would get back to them if I become much more open. However I am starting to realise that I need to do this for my sanity and that of my wife.

As I said, I have tried to explain it to family and friends, but they never hear my call and often blank me out for it, and it causes meltdowns, and the parents, college, and friends have got to come to accept who we are. We are aspies, and we shouldn't be knocked down when we fall, we shouldn't be made fun of, we shouldn't be humiliated in front of others. You know why? Because we are who WE are, and no-one is going to barge in our way to change us. Yes, we can be antagonistic, yes we can be rude towards people in attitude, but it's because we are fighting OUR corner. Society shouldn't deny people because they have disabilites or learning difficulties, society should accept it and support the person, and teach today's modern society that we are different!

I hope you all enjoyed my rendition of what should happen in today modern society, and sorry for the huge breakdown and long-winded rant! :)
 
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I certainly love the idea of Aspies emerging as a genetic minority that will be naturally selected for the modern environment. It makes so much sense. If humanity plans to pool ideas from different nations, groups and individuals, a more open, rational and modest mindset will need to be adopted, otherwise so many innovative ideas will get lost in a tangle of false pretences, intellectual resentment and cowardly conservatism.

I think it really comes back to that Emperor's New Clothes analogy. Kudos to the person who came up with that, even though *gasp* it wasn't me:(, and that means that someone else is going get praise that I won't get:cry:. How dare they!:stomp:

We are people who see the world for what it is, and describe it as it is. If it wasn't for people like us, that poor Emperor would have continued that nude parade because no one else had the guts to say that they couldn't see any clothes on him.

Im not too sure about the genetic bit, but I totally am with you about the emperors new clothes! :)

How many horrible things in the history of humanity have happened because people follow each other like sheep? I don't know whether it's guts or just a sheer inability to shut up and follow the (incorrect) crowd. whatever it is, we all need people to say what is going on around us without the blinkers and delusions most people are happy to live with. The world WOULD be a better place if certain things were just sorted out by the way aspergers people think (black and white and no noncense).

But, I think the real world is too complicated for that unfortunately :(

I don't enjoy being an aspie, I enjoy being alive. I hate seeing what horrors people who are also alive can inflict on themselves and others. It makes me just close my eyes and apologise to the planet that we are currently on it...
 
Well, I experience difficulties in several aspects of an adult life.

**I have been able to make only few "long term friends"
**I have a somewhat misanthropic view of life in general due the poor communication.
**I am 27 but only recently completing a Bachelor Degree
**I depend financially on parents.
**I have no female partner due a various problems with communication.
 
Lately, exhausted by it.
I don't want to irritate people, or make them feel awkward. I don't want to make problems for anyone. I don't want to be a family issue.
I just want peace with myself.
 
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How many horrible things in the history of humanity have happened because people follow each other like sheep? I don't know whether it's guts or just a sheer inability to shut up and follow the (incorrect) crowd. whatever it is, we all need people to say what is going on around us without the blinkers and delusions most people are happy to live with. The world WOULD be a better place if certain things were just sorted out by the way aspergers people think (black and white and no noncense).

When you look at something like the Palestinians and Israelis fighting, the solution seems so simple.
Just stop.
Why can't they just do that? Stop fighting.

But people don't seem to think that way.
 

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