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talked to my therapist about it today. she said i could go for testing but she really thinks i dont have it after 3 years of knowing me. but i do cover myself well and i dont tell the truth about my feelings because i dont remember anything. how does this sound to u?

I am not an Aspie, but we have one higher functioning Autistic 7-year old child, and one mild to moderate Autistic child. I will give my opinion to your question too, as I am the type that analyzes very well every word, and often rereading words, and I know virtually every condition in the DSM from having studied it when trying to figure out what my wife had, when all her lifetime of doctors misdiagnosed her, which by the way a psychologist then later confirmed through extensive evaluation and testing.

My recommendation is to show your post to the therapist if you have not already done so, as yes, verbally you may show yourself a bit differently, or not completely, and as you may not be totally yourself there with them and in that environment. That is one gripe I have with therapists and doctors. Many can be superficial and not look much deeper, and not inquire much more, or see that you need to analyze several things, like to know a person in different environments, and learn about them in many ways.

Your writing to me and what you say about yourself there indicates a strong likelihood of Asperger's Syndrome or High Functioning Autism. The two are very similar conditions. I am not sure if you were a late talker or not, but let's just say if you showed your original post to that therapist and she still did not think you had it, she should be fired as all the indications are obviously there. Although she might not see it in-person because of limited space, time, and as you are not acting naturally there in many ways, your original post clearly shows it.

Do not be afraid to get a second and third medical opinion if she still refuses to seriously consider one of those diagnoses. Some therapists are scared of losing business if the correct diagnosis is given, as they may not specialize in treating that, or as it may or may not be covered by insurance. I am not sure if any of those are the case, or just incompetence, as clearly all the classic signs are there. My advice to everyone would be to never listen to just one doctor or therapist, regarding diagnostics or treatment, as so many variables come into play why one could be underdiagnosed or misdiagnosed, or not given the right treatment.
 
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i got extremely high scores on that test , higher than the average. not sure about accuracy though.

It's something you could bring to your therapists attention though. You could print out your test results (and your answers to the tests as well) and show them that you are consistently scoring high in tools that are designed to screen for ASD. Also, if you're over 18 and graduated (you mentioned class, not sure if that's college or highschool), then you can request your permanent records from your school system and look for anything that might help a mental health professional identify your issues.
 
they didnt know how to explain it but they said i mostly quoted tv shows and was really really energetic and weird. does this sound like aspie? im so confused if i have it or not because maybe im like a really weird person or maybe ive been covering it up well bc im a girl so no one really noticed except for people thinking i was a tiny bit off? is it even worth it getting tested? i want to but my parents are skeptical its so expensive here too

If for no other reason than your peace of mind, I say yes, it is worth it. I think it's also worth it to help the broader ASD community, because it shows yet another woman who was missed because of false assumptions about ASD.

i got extremely high scores on that test , higher than the average. not sure about accuracy though.

At least one of those tests, I think it's the AQ one, is used as part of the diagnostic process for adults (at least it was for me), so they're as accurate as that part of the process. Odds are very good that if you scored ASD on it, you'll get a diagnosis.
 
This might be long but hopefully I will get some responses. I am new here and I am a girl if that makes a difference.

I have always felt different. I'll start with how I act. I do really repetitive movements like stretching my fingers and tapping and moving my hands slightly and moving my foot up and down without really realizing it. This especially happens when I have social anxiety.

my facial expressions have been described as being that i stare at others without realizing, i look mad and blank all day, and my voice is sometimes monotone but sometimes gets sing-songy. I can't really realize the volume of my speaking. i am very sensitive to almost everything: like i can't have bright lights on past 8pm, i need to be listening to music almost all day so i dont hear the variety of sounds in my surroundings, i am sensitive to heat, cold, and especially pain.

my mind plays my thoughts in pictures i never really think words so it seems like my mind is always blank. so when i socialize it is tough, i have a set words i say and its automatic so i dont need to think about saying hi or whatever, i guess it helps me blend in. but when it comes to talking, I have nothing to say except weird facts that i randomly remember from my hours and hours of researching i do everytday. .

people say i can be very rude and honest and i dont realize that what i say is rude. i overreact at friends and i overthink everything and this makes things tough because i always feel like someone is judging me or hating me even though they dont at all. . i have unusual obsession cycles and i spend these hours and hours planning and researching random things that wont happen and stuff im randomly interested in and i make tons of lists and plans obsessively .

i talk to myself in my room to organize my thoughts because its hard for me to think them. i have a hard time talking to others and i have really bad social anxiety . i can be described as an introvert. i am extremely scheduled and everything i do must be planned and it must be the same as always or i freak out. my food preferences are very specific and im very picky.

i work fast in school when i like a subject i can finish the work in half the time it takes others but if i dont like a subject i will completely slack off. i write in a weird position. i am often faitgued/tired and i just want to stay in my room all day. i enjoy music and video games like world of warcraft. ..

my friends describe me as being very funny but i am always the one to never understand other peoples jokes. i am very straightforward and honest!!! my ffamily describes me as being weird and a little bit off especially my sister says that... when i have crushes i seriously obsess over one guy and it gets sorta weird but not too weird.

in class i often take out a piece of paper and start writing random numbers in terms of investments, business plans, random numbers for planning or spending etc idk if that makes ssense but its all i do during class it keeps my head calm in a way... anyways i just wrote a bunch of random stuff hopefully ill get a response thank u all
^looks like theres another aspie onboard AC. :)
 
This might be long but hopefully I will get some responses. I am new here and I am a girl if that makes a difference.

I have always felt different. I'll start with how I act. I do really repetitive movements like stretching my fingers and tapping and moving my hands slightly and moving my foot up and down without really realizing it. This especially happens when I have social anxiety.

my facial expressions have been described as being that i stare at others without realizing, i look mad and blank all day, and my voice is sometimes monotone but sometimes gets sing-songy. I can't really realize the volume of my speaking. i am very sensitive to almost everything: like i can't have bright lights on past 8pm, i need to be listening to music almost all day so i dont hear the variety of sounds in my surroundings, i am sensitive to heat, cold, and especially pain.

my mind plays my thoughts in pictures i never really think words so it seems like my mind is always blank. so when i socialize it is tough, i have a set words i say and its automatic so i dont need to think about saying hi or whatever, i guess it helps me blend in. but when it comes to talking, I have nothing to say except weird facts that i randomly remember from my hours and hours of researching i do everytday. .

people say i can be very rude and honest and i dont realize that what i say is rude. i overreact at friends and i overthink everything and this makes things tough because i always feel like someone is judging me or hating me even though they dont at all. . i have unusual obsession cycles and i spend these hours and hours planning and researching random things that wont happen and stuff im randomly interested in and i make tons of lists and plans obsessively .

i talk to myself in my room to organize my thoughts because its hard for me to think them. i have a hard time talking to others and i have really bad social anxiety . i can be described as an introvert. i am extremely scheduled and everything i do must be planned and it must be the same as always or i freak out. my food preferences are very specific and im very picky.

i work fast in school when i like a subject i can finish the work in half the time it takes others but if i dont like a subject i will completely slack off. i write in a weird position. i am often faitgued/tired and i just want to stay in my room all day. i enjoy music and video games like world of warcraft. ..

my friends describe me as being very funny but i am always the one to never understand other peoples jokes. i am very straightforward and honest!!! my ffamily describes me as being weird and a little bit off especially my sister says that... when i have crushes i seriously obsess over one guy and it gets sorta weird but not too weird.

in class i often take out a piece of paper and start writing random numbers in terms of investments, business plans, random numbers for planning or spending etc idk if that makes ssense but its all i do during class it keeps my head calm in a way... anyways i just wrote a bunch of random stuff hopefully ill get a response thank u all
It's possible. But you may have some other issues going on as well. I hope you have the means to get checked out by a doctor that has experience with Asperger's, or a pneuropsychologist. They can give you some tests to see. Best of luck!
 
I share many of the traits you described. I researched how autism and aspergers presents differently in girls and a light bulb went off as i could relate to almost all of it.
I then looked into forums for more info and also read what i could. I made an appointment with a psychologist with a referral from GP for anxiety as that was covered under medical refunds and selected a psych who specialises in ASD. She diagnosed me and went through the criteria with me and we discussed how in girls it is mental rather than physical. It is how we think about things and mimic others so it often goes unnoticed.
Even if you don't get diagnosed you might benefit from the tips and tricks found on forums as a diagnosis doesn't cure it. If you are anything like me you just want to feel better and understand why you think and react the way you do. Do some more research and you might start to feel comforted that your feelings are validated.
Good luck!
 
This might be long but hopefully I will get some responses. I am new here and I am a girl if that makes a difference.

I have always felt different. I'll start with how I act. I do really repetitive movements like stretching my fingers and tapping and moving my hands slightly and moving my foot up and down without really realizing it. This especially happens when I have social anxiety.

my facial expressions have been described as being that i stare at others without realizing, i look mad and blank all day, and my voice is sometimes monotone but sometimes gets sing-songy. I can't really realize the volume of my speaking. i am very sensitive to almost everything: like i can't have bright lights on past 8pm, i need to be listening to music almost all day so i dont hear the variety of sounds in my surroundings, i am sensitive to heat, cold, and especially pain.

my mind plays my thoughts in pictures i never really think words so it seems like my mind is always blank. so when i socialize it is tough, i have a set words i say and its automatic so i dont need to think about saying hi or whatever, i guess it helps me blend in. but when it comes to talking, I have nothing to say except weird facts that i randomly remember from my hours and hours of researching i do everytday. .

people say i can be very rude and honest and i dont realize that what i say is rude. i overreact at friends and i overthink everything and this makes things tough because i always feel like someone is judging me or hating me even though they dont at all. . i have unusual obsession cycles and i spend these hours and hours planning and researching random things that wont happen and stuff im randomly interested in and i make tons of lists and plans obsessively .

i talk to myself in my room to organize my thoughts because its hard for me to think them. i have a hard time talking to others and i have really bad social anxiety . i can be described as an introvert. i am extremely scheduled and everything i do must be planned and it must be the same as always or i freak out. my food preferences are very specific and im very picky.

i work fast in school when i like a subject i can finish the work in half the time it takes others but if i dont like a subject i will completely slack off. i write in a weird position. i am often faitgued/tired and i just want to stay in my room all day. i enjoy music and video games like world of warcraft. ..

my friends describe me as being very funny but i am always the one to never understand other peoples jokes. i am very straightforward and honest!!! my ffamily describes me as being weird and a little bit off especially my sister says that... when i have crushes i seriously obsess over one guy and it gets sorta weird but not too weird.

in class i often take out a piece of paper and start writing random numbers in terms of investments, business plans, random numbers for planning or spending etc idk if that makes ssense but its all i do during class it keeps my head calm in a way... anyways i just wrote a bunch of random stuff hopefully ill get a response thank u all

Hello, Wondering. I possess many of the qualities you've described: feeling different, repetitive movements, variations in voice, speaking loudly without realizing it, sensitivity to pain, thinking that people are constantly judging, other people thinking I'm rude, being scheduled, freaking out in response to change, being a picky eater, wanting to stay in my room, video games/music, obsessive crushes. Most people think I'm weird. I have trouble understanding jokes pretty often. I HATE lying and regret doing so if it becomes necessary. I used to randomly scribble in class whenever I got bored. I write random stuff all the time, I do it each and every day when I text my (very few) friends. Random facts about myself, random video links, progress on the video games I play, and then there's just the super-random stuff...the list goes on. Anxieties, however, are the quality that dominates my lifestyle - and not in a good way, not in the least. In any case, years and years have gone by and I finally decided to see a psychologist about my struggles just very recently. He is very certain that I have Asperger's, so I would say you could very well have Asperger's. There is nothing to fear or worry about! Aspies rule the world. We do however have to manage it and that is why I will keep visiting this doctor. Anyway, the doc recommended that I sign up for an online community as part of my management process, and here I am. I have a good feeling that I'm going to gain some more insight on the disorder over here, and I'm sure you will too. Welcome!
 
Hello, Wondering. I possess many of the qualities you've described: feeling different, repetitive movements, variations in voice, speaking loudly without realizing it, sensitivity to pain, thinking that people are constantly judging, other people thinking I'm rude, being scheduled, freaking out in response to change, being a picky eater, wanting to stay in my room, video games/music, obsessive crushes. Most people think I'm weird. I have trouble understanding jokes pretty often. I HATE lying and regret doing so if it becomes necessary. I used to randomly scribble in class whenever I got bored. I write random stuff all the time, I do it each and every day when I text my (very few) friends. Random facts about myself, random video links, progress on the video games I play, and then there's just the super-random stuff...the list goes on. Anxieties, however, are the quality that dominates my lifestyle - and not in a good way, not in the least. In any case, years and years have gone by and I finally decided to see a psychologist about my struggles just very recently. He is very certain that I have Asperger's, so I would say you could very well have Asperger's. There is nothing to fear or worry about! Aspies rule the world. We do however have to manage it and that is why I will keep visiting this doctor. Anyway, the doc recommended that I sign up for an online community as part of my management process, and here I am. I have a good feeling that I'm going to gain some more insight on the disorder over here, and I'm sure you will too. Welcome!
that sounds exactly like me in every single way. i am seriously trying to convince my parents to get me to talk to someone other than my therapist ahout this
 
that sounds exactly like me in every single way. i am seriously trying to convince my parents to get me to talk to someone other than my therapist ahout this

I've been trying to convince my parents that psychologists are not the way they're stereotyped to be. I do not regret having made the decision to see mine. What type of person would you prefer to talk to about this, specifically?
 
How much did you SOCIALISE as a child as lack of socialisation could cause this
I grew up on an isolated back country sheep station until I was 4 years old, no other children except my brother who was 2 years younger. I've wondered about the affect of very little social interaction in those formative years?
 
I still think that you should go for a test anyway. just tell your therapist to humor you and just see what happens because there are things that happen to you in your private time in your home that other people outside of the home don't realize because you act differently there because it's your comfort zone and you started to wonder. and just tell her the truth that sometimes like you said you don't always tell the truth because you don't always remember.

with me I personally have trouble with retaining information. like there was one time my dad was very very furious with me and he wanted to know what I did something and I was scared and I was panicking I didn't know what I had done to make you mad and he wanted to know why I had done something I don't remember what it was but I just remember the situation of him getting frustrated and wanting to know what I had done it for and I panicked and I couldn't remember what he was talking about and I got in trouble for lying and for not telling the truth about the situation I don't know why it happens but I like didn't remember .

I know as a kid I clearly saw things differently in my mind then they happened in reality like I just remember very clearly my sister was always picking on me and there was one day my sister being a little sister and I'm being older sister didn't like that mom looked up to me as the leader she wanted to be the one that had the responsibilities and mom looked up to and that mom respected so she would pinch me or flick me in the face and stuff like that and I would get frustrated and I went to my mom and I said mom can I please hit Sarah please please please I'm begging you and I was dead serious I was gonna knock her in the face so basically mom told me sure go for it but she was being as sarcastic as anybody could get no way in hell would she gonna let me hit Sarah in the face but she didn't take me for serious either . She was totally like "sure cause I'm just gonna let you hit your sister, riiiight... go for it" I immediately thought alright mom let me hit Sarah how often does that happen ! So I ran over and spicked my sister in the eye! she went down in the kitchen and I was pretty proud of myself. my mom saw what I did and I was grounded.

I was like I want to say 12 and my sister was seven and I had no right whatsoever to do that no matter if she had started it and I had not understood that because at the time I was not diagnosed and my mom had a long talk with me about what happened and wanted to know what I had done it for and I immediately went "like well see I did this or I did that" and I just didn't know how to tell my feelings so I started making things up. But ligit I went into like amnesia mode and I'm not really sure why this happens to me but I think it's probably an Aspie thing but I didn't know what was going on and like immediately I started saying I don't know what you're talking about I don't remember that and all I know is that Sarah started it and I don't remember anything and I kind of didn't. And my mom said stop lying to me I know you hit your sister and you did it on purpose why did you hit her?! and I said I don't know what you're talking about and she said I'm not gonna play these games with you. She said I told you in a very sarcastic voice that you could hit your sister I wasn't serious about that come on you know it was sarcastic!! and I said I have no idea what that means and she's like don't play stupid with me and I said I don't know what you're talking about I didn't do anything wrong you said I could do it so I have no fault here you cannot ground me on those legalities you told me I could hit Sarah so I did. I was like so into hitting Sarah for whatever she did that to this day I remember hitting her but I don't remember what she had done. I think I was kind of scared and went into amnesia mode or whatever and I blocked the entire situation or something but my mom quickly figured out after an hour of me being in my room bawling that I didn't know what I had done wrong that maybe I took her seriously or something and then maybe I thought she meant to go hit your sister. and that's when the final piece mom needed came in. and mom got me diagnosed. I mean I had wrongly been diagnosed with ADD as a kid but that obviously didn't fit, my mom just knew it so by total accident she came across something that made her think and so she looked it up and started wondering if that wasn't totally correct for me. but when she did her researching there wasn't a lot on the subject of aspergers or high functioning autism so she just had to keep researching. there were tiny little three sentence articles and a kids book that was like six pages long for babies and there was a book about what it's like for an elementary school kid to have a little brother with autism but that really didn't help her but it kind of did but it really wasn't that informative it basically was more like how this boy helps his brother get up in the morning and how he helps his brother brush his teeth because he can't brush his teeth for himself or how he helps him get on the school bus or how he helps him pick a TV channel but it doesn't really tell you anything but it was better than nothing so she used those little bits of research as whatever evidence she could. and with all of that information even though it was not much to go on it was better than nothing and it helped the doctor to agree. the doctor said congratulations Danielle if you hadn't taken the initiative to sit down for countless hours for countless years and research and there wasn't any research to find but you found whatever you could and you paralleled the best you could you gave us something to go on whereas if you hadn't and you were trying to cry aspergers on her we might not have believed you as much because there's not much research so we don't even know a lot so we probably would've still missed the signs if you hadn't compared and contrasted, we would definitely have missed it still. as it was early to thousands like 2005 I think so there still wasn't a lot on the subject of aspergers so the doctors were still using ADD more than they were diagnosing aspergers but they were starting to get more into aspergers but they still didn't know a lot Intel like 2008 is really really started to get more into it so up until then kids worst sometimes getting accidental diagnosis of ADD and then when there was more campaign about the subject and people started seeing other kids being more diagnosed as aspergers correctly they would take their kids back to the doctor and get a reevaluation.

just take whatever information you can and try to make a truth book I know that you get nervous or whatever and you try to hide yourself behind lies because you don't know how to express yourself so the best thing you can do is to make something up . But do the best you can by finding other people that also don't know how to express themselves and ask what would you do ? How do you handle the schools etc. etc. and write that next to your experiences at the same type so that you can compare and say I do this and these people do this and make it clear that there are parallels there. and find other aspergers behaviors that you exhibit that are similar to other people and keep those parallels and the best thing to do is to quote where you got the parallel from that way like a research paper they can go back to that parallel and compare and have proof of the other person saying that by reading that blog because you put that blog in there. that will help immensely with people believing you. Trust me if you do this for yourself people will take you seriously because they will saythese are thingslegitimately aspergers and knee-jerk things that she does.But I would definitely sayyou seem to be very high functioning so you're not really going to get a lot of disability qualifications like I haveSocial Security income which isgovernment income I don't know if you have that where you liveyou never said where you live butwhere I livein Missouri in America I have that and I don't work a lot of hours but I'm very high functioning so that's as far as my disability goes I get Social Security income and my job accommodates the fact that I don't focus I don't pay attention I can't work long strenuous hours I get kind of freaked out so I'm giving a max of like 20 hours at my job in a week. and I do have assistance at my house since I can't drive giving the same reasons I panic easy I don't focus well I don't have good attention span I don't pay attention well I get distracted so I'm horrible on the road and was denied driving I have a lady that takes me to the grocery store and I learned how to do my bills when I moved out on my own and I'm still not good at them but I'm getting better but that's about it I don't have any other disability help them to my functioning to get much else. so you may not qualify for anything except saying you have aspergers and feeling satisfied that finally someone listened to you and believe you that may not be enough to get you an actual disability income from the government or accommodate you at your job or whatever but now that you would have the diagnosis legally that might do something if you're looking to get help with things people might take it more seriously and give you the help you're asking for now that they have a reason to do so but who knows because aspergers is considered too high functioning and to close to being a normal person in a lot of cases and people don't judge it disability enough. but I was lucky to get the things I did get. Good luck to you. Keep us posted on the project.
 
lovetochat87,
thank u for the response. to answer your last paragraph, no im not looking for government help or whatver. im only in high school and i hope that the possible diagnosis can be used so that i can tell teachers or friends why im having such a hard time in certain situations, and to help my family understand why i am quite antisocial (i can't handle 'social'!! haha). i really dont plan on having a so-called 'career', i really just want to be a stay at home mom and have a lot of kids so i suppose this is better than having a working hours
 
I still think that you should go for a test anyway. just tell your therapist to humor you and just see what happens because there are things that happen to you in your private time in your home that other people outside of the home don't realize because you act differently there because it's your comfort zone and you started to wonder. and just tell her the truth that sometimes like you said you don't always tell the truth because you don't always remember.

with me I personally have trouble with retaining information. like there was one time my dad was very very furious with me and he wanted to know what I did something and I was scared and I was panicking I didn't know what I had done to make you mad and he wanted to know why I had done something I don't remember what it was but I just remember the situation of him getting frustrated and wanting to know what I had done it for and I panicked and I couldn't remember what he was talking about and I got in trouble for lying and for not telling the truth about the situation I don't know why it happens but I like didn't remember .

I know as a kid I clearly saw things differently in my mind then they happened in reality like I just remember very clearly my sister was always picking on me and there was one day my sister being a little sister and I'm being older sister didn't like that mom looked up to me as the leader she wanted to be the one that had the responsibilities and mom looked up to and that mom respected so she would pinch me or flick me in the face and stuff like that and I would get frustrated and I went to my mom and I said mom can I please hit Sarah please please please I'm begging you and I was dead serious I was gonna knock her in the face so basically mom told me sure go for it but she was being as sarcastic as anybody could get no way in hell would she gonna let me hit Sarah in the face but she didn't take me for serious either . She was totally like "sure cause I'm just gonna let you hit your sister, riiiight... go for it" I immediately thought alright mom let me hit Sarah how often does that happen ! So I ran over and spicked my sister in the eye! she went down in the kitchen and I was pretty proud of myself. my mom saw what I did and I was grounded.

I was like I want to say 12 and my sister was seven and I had no right whatsoever to do that no matter if she had started it and I had not understood that because at the time I was not diagnosed and my mom had a long talk with me about what happened and wanted to know what I had done it for and I immediately went "like well see I did this or I did that" and I just didn't know how to tell my feelings so I started making things up. But ligit I went into like amnesia mode and I'm not really sure why this happens to me but I think it's probably an Aspie thing but I didn't know what was going on and like immediately I started saying I don't know what you're talking about I don't remember that and all I know is that Sarah started it and I don't remember anything and I kind of didn't. And my mom said stop lying to me I know you hit your sister and you did it on purpose why did you hit her?! and I said I don't know what you're talking about and she said I'm not gonna play these games with you. She said I told you in a very sarcastic voice that you could hit your sister I wasn't serious about that come on you know it was sarcastic!! and I said I have no idea what that means and she's like don't play stupid with me and I said I don't know what you're talking about I didn't do anything wrong you said I could do it so I have no fault here you cannot ground me on those legalities you told me I could hit Sarah so I did. I was like so into hitting Sarah for whatever she did that to this day I remember hitting her but I don't remember what she had done. I think I was kind of scared and went into amnesia mode or whatever and I blocked the entire situation or something but my mom quickly figured out after an hour of me being in my room bawling that I didn't know what I had done wrong that maybe I took her seriously or something and then maybe I thought she meant to go hit your sister. and that's when the final piece mom needed came in. and mom got me diagnosed. I mean I had wrongly been diagnosed with ADD as a kid but that obviously didn't fit, my mom just knew it so by total accident she came across something that made her think and so she looked it up and started wondering if that wasn't totally correct for me. but when she did her researching there wasn't a lot on the subject of aspergers or high functioning autism so she just had to keep researching. there were tiny little three sentence articles and a kids book that was like six pages long for babies and there was a book about what it's like for an elementary school kid to have a little brother with autism but that really didn't help her but it kind of did but it really wasn't that informative it basically was more like how this boy helps his brother get up in the morning and how he helps his brother brush his teeth because he can't brush his teeth for himself or how he helps him get on the school bus or how he helps him pick a TV channel but it doesn't really tell you anything but it was better than nothing so she used those little bits of research as whatever evidence she could. and with all of that information even though it was not much to go on it was better than nothing and it helped the doctor to agree. the doctor said congratulations Danielle if you hadn't taken the initiative to sit down for countless hours for countless years and research and there wasn't any research to find but you found whatever you could and you paralleled the best you could you gave us something to go on whereas if you hadn't and you were trying to cry aspergers on her we might not have believed you as much because there's not much research so we don't even know a lot so we probably would've still missed the signs if you hadn't compared and contrasted, we would definitely have missed it still. as it was early to thousands like 2005 I think so there still wasn't a lot on the subject of aspergers so the doctors were still using ADD more than they were diagnosing aspergers but they were starting to get more into aspergers but they still didn't know a lot Intel like 2008 is really really started to get more into it so up until then kids worst sometimes getting accidental diagnosis of ADD and then when there was more campaign about the subject and people started seeing other kids being more diagnosed as aspergers correctly they would take their kids back to the doctor and get a reevaluation.

just take whatever information you can and try to make a truth book I know that you get nervous or whatever and you try to hide yourself behind lies because you don't know how to express yourself so the best thing you can do is to make something up . But do the best you can by finding other people that also don't know how to express themselves and ask what would you do ? How do you handle the schools etc. etc. and write that next to your experiences at the same type so that you can compare and say I do this and these people do this and make it clear that there are parallels there. and find other aspergers behaviors that you exhibit that are similar to other people and keep those parallels and the best thing to do is to quote where you got the parallel from that way like a research paper they can go back to that parallel and compare and have proof of the other person saying that by reading that blog because you put that blog in there. that will help immensely with people believing you. Trust me if you do this for yourself people will take you seriously because they will saythese are thingslegitimately aspergers and knee-jerk things that she does.But I would definitely sayyou seem to be very high functioning so you're not really going to get a lot of disability qualifications like I haveSocial Security income which isgovernment income I don't know if you have that where you liveyou never said where you live butwhere I livein Missouri in America I have that and I don't work a lot of hours but I'm very high functioning so that's as far as my disability goes I get Social Security income and my job accommodates the fact that I don't focus I don't pay attention I can't work long strenuous hours I get kind of freaked out so I'm giving a max of like 20 hours at my job in a week. and I do have assistance at my house since I can't drive giving the same reasons I panic easy I don't focus well I don't have good attention span I don't pay attention well I get distracted so I'm horrible on the road and was denied driving I have a lady that takes me to the grocery store and I learned how to do my bills when I moved out on my own and I'm still not good at them but I'm getting better but that's about it I don't have any other disability help them to my functioning to get much else. so you may not qualify for anything except saying you have aspergers and feeling satisfied that finally someone listened to you and believe you that may not be enough to get you an actual disability income from the government or accommodate you at your job or whatever but now that you would have the diagnosis legally that might do something if you're looking to get help with things people might take it more seriously and give you the help you're asking for now that they have a reason to do so but who knows because aspergers is considered too high functioning and to close to being a normal person in a lot of cases and people don't judge it disability enough. but I was lucky to get the things I did get. Good luck to you. Keep us posted on the project.

Many may not know though that some research says that ADD/ADHD and Autism as dual diagnoses are not that uncommon. Up to 30% can have both conditions. They can coexist. Does not need to be one or the other.
 
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talked to my therapist about it today.

This is the a step in the right direction. All of us here can give you opinions based on what you've shared, but opinions won't give you any certainty. After all, our opinions are limited to what you've shared whereas the testing process will unearth more information.

she [your therapist] said i could go for testing but she really thinks i dont have it after 3 years of knowing me.

Two points:

(1) your therapist's professional training and three years of experience with you in a therapeutic relationship/environment means her opinions are going to be more accurate than ours, though she did leave open that AS/ASD is possible; AND

(2) AS/ASD is not an achievement or something to aspire to - it's just one way of being/thinking. What is important is to get an accurate Dx that helps you better understand yourself and your experiences.

In other words, what really matters is why you are different and how you can cope with being different in a healthy way. Being correctly diagnosed will help you get the understanding, advice, and any assistance you may need. Being incorrectly diagnosed might actually make things more difficult for you and delay you from the self-understanding a correct Dx can offer.

Whether you are on the spectrum or it is something else entirely, your therapist is correct to send you for testing. Be encouraged and don't give up until you get an answer to your questions!

but i do cover myself well and i dont tell the truth about my feelings because i dont remember anything.

This is one reason that it is good to seek a professional diagnosis (as you've done). It is more difficult to Dx high/functioning autism in adults who have developed coping mechanisms to "blend in" or "get by" than it is to Dx a child. Formal testing will help by going deeper than online screening tools can go. For starters, I had to go through a battery of questions about my childhood experiences (before the coping mechanisms were learned) in addition to my current issues. There is a lot more to it than this, but a good evaluator with the necessary experience will not be fooled by coping mechanisms.

As to your feelings, I don't believe you should be concerned about this. The testing won't require you to remember past feelings with accuracy - at least, I don't recall that being a component. If you are concerned, then talk to your therapist about it.

Think of the tests as a "tool" of sorts. Just not a direct path to a real diagnosis.

I agree completely about the tests being a "tool" to point you in the right direction, but as Judge noted, they do not offer a real, final diagnosis.

For example, I did not decide to seek and pay for formal testing until I had taken the AQ test. The results made me feel comfortable with the idea that there was something to my personal suspicions.

no im not looking for government help or whatver

Some people on here feel that is the only reason to get formally tested; however, I must respectfully disagree with that perspective.

Quite the contrary - I receive no government help or assistance, but I have found getting diagnosed has been of tremendous help in understanding myself and relating to others. I could fill a page with the ways this has helped me, but gov't aid wouldn't be on the list (at least not at this time - no plans to apply at present, but I never rule anything out).

If you have suspicions, then listen to that therapist and go get tested! Whatever the result, you'll feel better knowing.
 
I agree with much of your post regarding testing, however, I disagree strongly with point number 1. I feel because she is a therapist and with training, and had three years of professional experience with a patient, that should never imply their opinions about a diagnosis must be more accurate than one's opinion who is likely on the high end of the Spectrum and who may know themselves better and has possibly researched more.

In other words, the assumption you made was five-fold: (1) That the therapist has much training in Autism or Aspergers (most do not and know very little but basic information at best about those conditions as seen from our numerous experiences where many seemed clueless when the major core symptoms were already present (2) That improper practices, policies, procedures or motives for that clinic are not in place, (3) That incompetence is not involved, (4) That the patient is not more insightful, more aware and puts forth more effort into research and wanting correct diagnostics than the professional, and with more desire to be prompt for that, and (5) That the therapist does not have some big ego where they do not like being shown up by the patient.

The fact the professional said more testing was needed is great, but it also shows at best that professionals lack of ability to analyze well for those conditions, when that therapist stated she did not think she had it despite the three years of therapy, and the patient suggesting such that condition may be a possibility, as I am sure some signs and symptoms at least were still there in-person based on information in the original thread post. I am assuming that therapist is not unethical and purposefully trying to misdiagnosis or underdiagnose because of any lack of specialty in treating it or because of a need to come up with a more general diagnosis instead to satisfy insurance, which is far more common in medical practice than people think.

Again, I feel the original thread post shows it is much more likely than not she has Aspergers or high functioning Autism, so I trust the therapist's opinions much less than the original poster's writings which shows likely that condition, and as the consensus of opinions in this forum thinks she fits in, too, regardless if that therapist has more credentials. That is where we differ. I would trust the majority opinions of those with Aspergers or High function Autism often more than therapists with no special training regarding Autism Spectrum conditions who often know just a little about lots of different things, or who can have biases, or rigid practices, whereas those who experience signs and symptoms daily, minute-by-minute in all environments, know often lots about who they are, what they have, or how to tackle such that is best for them, through much research, analysis and from living such.

I agree with a patient if they want specific testing done by a professional qualified in evaluating such conditions, and I agree with most of your other points. Please be aware though, if a patient gets tested for the wrong things, or there is not supporting medical evidence supplementing the testing, an improper diagnose can be given, so the patient could forever live with that. The timing of the testing may be important, then. It would seem to me to be more ideal for a therapist to be open minded to that diagnosis first, because of symptoms b through g, than to test right away.

Perhaps you have not had a lifetime of 38 doctors misdiagnose, with numerous varying conditions, like my wife had, since age five, which resulted in 70 treatment failures, suicide attempts, severe allergic reactions, and increased anxiety, not reduceded. Only a year ago, after we self-diagnosed my wife with a totally new condition that explained those five failed diagnoses, and then after 9 hours of neuropsychological testing to verify our suspicion, did that formally reveal her true condition. It is not coincidence the totally new self-administered treatments targeted for that new condition are now working, when doctor treatments prior all failed. She almost committed suicide because of those 25 years of misdiagnoses and improper treatments.

And maybe you did not have 10-12 medical professionals first not have a clue about your diagnosis, or with other agendas or no hurry to diagnose despite the severe urgency, until you got correctly diagnosed, like which was the case too for our four-year old son. He was diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety, Dysphagia, Circadium Rhythm, Failure to thrive, Feeding difficulties, Developmental Delay, and on and on up to age four, when signs and symptoms were there since eighteen months. Who diagnosed correctly again? How about the parents, after seeing either that medical incompetence, agendas or desires to wait much longer to diagnose, or with desire to focus on diagnosing to fit their specialties.

And then the Autism Specialist verified our diagnosis of Dylan right after. So, traditional doctors, no matter experience level, are not saints. They make tons of mistakes, or do wrongs, especially non-specialists. Our family lived with those medical failures. Many other families obviously, too. Yes, self-diagnostics can be wrong too, but unless ones goes to a specialist specifically trained to evaluate that condition, I would argue the wisdom of the patient may be better than of the doctor, if that patient is great at self-analysis, research and putting two and two together. This is because they can have less biases and agendas, less rigid protocol, smaller egos, and with more time, and more insight into themselves.

Personally, I would have gotten a new therapist and started over with fresher eyes, and then submitted detailed written information early on to the new therapist, like that original posting she wrote, which reveals many signs and symptoms of Aspergers or High functioning Autism, than focus on just face to face stuff, and trying to explain oneself totally there which would be difficult. Then, testing if need be after that to verify the suspected diagnosis. After all, I feel whoever that current therapist refers to for testing could get a bunch of biased or incomplete information and trying to steer the tester away from that diagnosis. In other words, many therapists maybe do not want to be seen as wrong, after three years, by not having evaluated a condition properly earlier.

It all depends on the comfort level of the patient though, in terms of how well they relate to the personality and perceived competence of that therapist, and the set-up there. I have no way of knowing if that therapist would accept the findings of the testing evaluator, or if that therapist would try to focus on testing for something else instead, or purposefully submit incomplete or inaccurate information to the testing person, to prove the patient wrong. After after all, that therapist said she did not think she had it. Do you think they would want to eat their words? Liability could come into play, in their eyes.[/QUOTE]
 
however, I disagree strongly with point number 1. I feel because she is a therapist and with training, and had three years of professional experience with a patient, that should never imply their opinions about a diagnosis must be more accurate than one's opinion who is likely on the high end of the Spectrum and who may know themselves better and has possibly researched more.

While I agree with you that some therapists are better than others, and while I agree that some therapists/doctors are inept at diagnosing and treating ASD, I do not believe an individual can objectively self-diagnose with accuracy sufficiently reliable to, for example, direct the course of therapy or, worse, medications for comorbid conditions.

If one self-diagnoses and its confident, then one should seek an opinion from a therapist/doctor who specializes in ASD. However, you are right that 3 years with a patient does not make one qualified to assess and Dx ASD if s/he has no experience or training with ASD. I should have phrased my comments more carefully, as you are absolutely right on this point, and I would not mean to imply otherwise.

However, this therapist knew enough to refer OP to a specialist for an assessment despite the doubts voiced to OP. So, I was inclined to accept that this particular therapist was reasonable and reliable, not letting ego get in the way.

In other words, the assumption you made was five-fold: (1) That the therapist has much training in Autism or Aspergers (most do not and know very little but basic information at best about those conditions as seen from our numerous experiences where many seemed clueless when the major core symptoms were already present (2) That improper practices, policies, procedures or motives for that clinic are not in place, (3) That incompetence is not involved, (4) That the patient is not more insightful, more aware and puts forth more effort into research and wanting correct diagnostics than the professional, and with more desire to be prompt for that, and (5) That the therapist does not have some big ego where they do not like being shown up by the patient.

You are right on the first item. On the second, I believe clinics are entitled to the presumption of proper practices and motives barring evidence to the contrary - otherwise, we'd all be fools to go to any doctor/clinic if we are to presume they are improperly motivated.

My response to item #3 is the same. We should presume competence and not incompetence until evidence/research indicates the contrary. Else, no one would ever go to a clinician presumed incompetent.

Concerning item #4, it is possible that the patient is more insightful, but not more objective. We humans being do not inherently see ourselves with reliable accuracy. If the patient is more insightful than the professional, then s/he should know to seek out a professional with more insight (who can also be objective about the patience).

Perhaps you have not had a lifetime of 38 doctors misdiagnose, with numerous varying conditions, like my wife had, since age five...

...And maybe you did not have 10-12 medical professionals first not have a clue about your diagnosis, or with other agendas or no hurry to diagnose despite the severe urgency, until you got correctly diagnosed, like which was the case too for our four-year old son.

You are correct. This was not my experience, personally. Hopefully it is not a common experience, generally, and I am sorry you and your family had to suffer so.

Granted, we all have dealt with apathetic (and even pathetic) doctors/providers, but your experience seems somewhat extreme as compared to even the negative experiences others have posted on here concerning various professionals.

Hopefully, others have an experience more like mine. I did have initial difficulty finding out where to go to get assessed, but once I got to my first appointment,things started to improve.

Of course, I was initially told I probably did not have AS/ASD just like OP. Ironically, I am sufficiently high functioning that most people including doctors would doubt I have ASD, but no one who has ever lived with me would doubt it, and when the testing was done, I had some fairly severe results in certain areas. By the end of the assessment (involving multiple sessions), the opposite became clear. I was referred to a neuropsych for confirmation and to have other explanations for my test results ruled out. ASD is, in many ways, a Dx of exclusion.

It was a tedious process (especially since both the initial evaluator and also some of my family thought I was crazy), but I got through it without too much trouble. Not everyone has an experience like mine either, though, I know. Heck, I hope most people are having it better than I did.

So, traditional doctors, no matter experience level, are not saints.

I agree, but then I don't really believe any doctor is a saint. We're all imperfect - doctors included. Hopefully anyone seeking a Dx lands with one who is willing to do where the testing leads and dispense with preconceptions that don't fit the data.

Knowledge of ASD is more prevalent today. When I was a kid, the odds of getting Dx'd properly were probably close to nil. Today, the odds would be much better, but it's still not good enough. I am not saying that people who self-Dx rather than seeing a professional are not autistic, and I am not taking the position that all doctors are saints or even
qualified autism specialists, but I am saying that without some sort of external evaluation, the rest of the world cannot be expected to rely upon a self-Dx when interacting with us.

Look at it this way: many people claim to be "OCD" or "ADD" without having been diagnosed. ASD is just the latest. Celebrities have perpetuated this. Check this story and this one out. If you think that Moby is kind of a dick, then you get what I mean. It's becoming almost fashionable to claim to be something one is not, and I just don't believe it is healthy to accept with finality self-diagnoses without further testing. I think Moby, and a lot of others, have some other psychological issues if they think it's cool to pretend that they have asperger's, but at least Moby owned up to the faking. If he hadn't come clean, and if he had continued the ruse claiming he had "self-diagnosed," we might all be defending his fake self-diagnosis here in these forums.

However, I am not saying that self-diagnosis is never accurate and never useful. I'm just saying it should be followed up with a reliable assessment from an expert if we want or need others to believe we're not just another Moby. If the Dx is just for our own internal purposes and peace of mind, then hey - we all have the right to think as we please, no?

I take people on this site at their word when they say that they are on the spectrum. I don't interrogate anyone as to how they know this when responding to their posts. However, when they volunteer that they were self-diagnosed, I have no reliable way of differentiating such a poster from the Mobies of the world who, shockingly, think it might be cool to be like me (trust me, no one IRL every accused me of coolness). It seems pretty crazy, thinking back to my own childhood experiences, to believe for one second that anyone would want to be like me...
 
While I agree with you that some therapists are better than others, and while I agree that some therapists/doctors are inept at diagnosing and treating ASD, I do not believe an individual can objectively self-diagnose with accuracy sufficiently reliable to, for example, direct the course of therapy or, worse, medications for comorbid conditions.

If one self-diagnoses and its confident, then one should seek an opinion from a therapist/doctor who specializes in ASD. However, you are right that 3 years with a patient does not make one qualified to assess and Dx ASD if s/he has no experience or training with ASD. I should have phrased my comments more carefully, as you are absolutely right on this point, and I would not mean to imply otherwise.

However, this therapist knew enough to refer OP to a specialist for an assessment despite the doubts voiced to OP. So, I was inclined to accept that this particular therapist was reasonable and reliable, not letting ego get in the way.



You are right on the first item. On the second, I believe clinics are entitled to the presumption of proper practices and motives barring evidence to the contrary - otherwise, we'd all be fools to go to any doctor/clinic if we are to presume they are improperly motivated.

My response to item #3 is the same. We should presume competence and not incompetence until evidence/research indicates the contrary. Else, no one would ever go to a clinician presumed incompetent.

Concerning item #4, it is possible that the patient is more insightful, but not more objective. We humans being do not inherently see ourselves with reliable accuracy. If the patient is more insightful than the professional, then s/he should know to seek out a professional with more insight (who can also be objective about the patience).



You are correct. This was not my experience, personally. Hopefully it is not a common experience, generally, and I am sorry you and your family had to suffer so.

Granted, we all have dealt with apathetic (and even pathetic) doctors/providers, but your experience seems somewhat extreme as compared to even the negative experiences others have posted on here concerning various professionals.

Hopefully, others have an experience more like mine. I did have initial difficulty finding out where to go to get assessed, but once I got to my first appointment,things started to improve.

Of course, I was initially told I probably did not have AS/ASD just like OP. Ironically, I am sufficiently high functioning that most people including doctors would doubt I have ASD, but no one who has ever lived with me would doubt it, and when the testing was done, I had some fairly severe results in certain areas. By the end of the assessment (involving multiple sessions), the opposite became clear. I was referred to a neuropsych for confirmation and to have other explanations for my test results ruled out. ASD is, in many ways, a Dx of exclusion.

It was a tedious process (especially since both the initial evaluator and also some of my family thought I was crazy), but I got through it without too much trouble. Not everyone has an experience like mine either, though, I know. Heck, I hope most people are having it better than I did.



I agree, but then I don't really believe any doctor is a saint. We're all imperfect - doctors included. Hopefully anyone seeking a Dx lands with one who is willing to do where the testing leads and dispense with preconceptions that don't fit the data.

Knowledge of ASD is more prevalent today. When I was a kid, the odds of getting Dx'd properly were probably close to nil. Today, the odds would be much better, but it's still not good enough. I am not saying that people who self-Dx rather than seeing a professional are not autistic, and I am not taking the position that all doctors are saints or even
qualified autism specialists, but I am saying that without some sort of external evaluation, the rest of the world cannot be expected to rely upon a self-Dx when interacting with us.

Look at it this way: many people claim to be "OCD" or "ADD" without having been diagnosed. ASD is just the latest. Celebrities have perpetuated this. Check this story and this one out. If you think that Moby is kind of a dick, then you get what I mean. It's becoming almost fashionable to claim to be something one is not, and I just don't believe it is healthy to accept with finality self-diagnoses without further testing. I think Moby, and a lot of others, have some other psychological issues if they think it's cool to pretend that they have asperger's, but at least Moby owned up to the faking. If he hadn't come clean, and if he had continued the ruse claiming he had "self-diagnosed," we might all be defending his fake self-diagnosis here in these forums.

However, I am not saying that self-diagnosis is never accurate and never useful. I'm just saying it should be followed up with a reliable assessment from an expert if we want or need others to believe we're not just another Moby. If the Dx is just for our own internal purposes and peace of mind, then hey - we all have the right to think as we please, no?

I take people on this site at their word when they say that they are on the spectrum. I don't interrogate anyone as to how they know this when responding to their posts. However, when they volunteer that they were self-diagnosed, I have no reliable way of differentiating such a poster from the Mobies of the world who, shockingly, think it might be cool to be like me (trust me, no one IRL every accused me of coolness). It seems pretty crazy, thinking back to my own childhood experiences, to believe for one second that anyone would want to be like me...

Thanks for replying to all of my points. You present some great arguments, and you come across as a great person, in your thoughtful and expanded reply, so if I disagree, I will try to do so politely, too. Healthy debate though is Ok. It is how people often learn. So, I am not arguing, but trying to understand.

So, from what I understand you are saying is: 'if one says they self-diagnosed themselves and have a certain condition, you could question that because of those fraud others who resorted to that because of some agenda, or to be cool.' But, then should not that prove my point about medical professionals?

So, if I questioned if it was possible if any doctor was competent, or if a clinic was set up properly or with improper practices, policies and procedures, would that then not make logical sense to be fair game too, and especially if more doctors were doing medical wrongs, than self-diagnosers doing some wrong. It is only natural to question things for everything then, or for nothing. To either trust for everything, or to mistrust for all, or to trust but verify, for all, and especially if health and potential future suffering or some improper related gain is involved.

All I am saying is doctors are not above prejudgment, if those self-diagnosed persons are being prejudged negatively, too.
Otherwise, that would imply medical professionals should be more trusted than those with conditions. I could not agree with that theory, as white collar crime, and wrongs occur just as much from professionals. Do you know how much insurance fraud is committed by medical facilities each day?
Coding wrongs, over billing, diagnosing to satisfy insurances.

Add that to other medical wrongs seen everyday, like long waiting lists, underdiagnoses &. misdiagnoses, treatments not tailored to the specific situation, but just tailored to the condition, and often to the masses, etc. Then there are the medical failures for many professionals to listen or be objective, or timely, or with abrasive attitude. So, if all that has occured, we must assume they are competent and have good intentions? No, they need to earn that trust too.

Also, realize there are doctors that have mental health conditions too to cloud judgement, so that has to then be considered too, if the suggestion is they have more objectivity. Obviously most will not admit to a condition, or maybe cannot see that. That inability to self-assess themselves would indicate lack of insight, and lack of partiality, too, as they could be in denial of things like narcissism, obsessive compulsive personality, or whatever.

I could argue that one who is self-diagnosing is at least admitting to some condition, and that is to be respected. Even if it was wrong, or with fraud intent, no doctor would take that self-diagnosis seriously unless it was proved anyway by testing or their own unbiased analysis, just as a doctor could say he was right about everything, but I should not assume that. It is not a secret that medicine is far from perfect, so no patient should assume any practitioner or clinic is above doing some wrong, as that gives that professional and clinic extra power to commit those wrongs, if they knew we were not analyzing them too.

Just my opinion. I can see your side to things, that it could be unhealthy for a society to question professionals. I guess my argument would be, well if you clean up your act then we would not need to resort to that. Those mental health professionals who committed aggregious wrongs are rarely held accountable, as who is going to be trusted? The doctor or the patients? That is why I am usually on the side of patients, if both sides have good points. They have their high priced lawyers to fight things. Patients do not.
 
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Healthy debate though is Ok. It is how people often learn. So, I am not arguing, but trying to understand.


I agree. I'm even okay with the terms "argue" and "arguing." Many people see these terms in a negative way, but they mean more or less the same thing as "debate" and "debating" really. The question is the motivation. Are we arguing just for the sake of arguing? This would be perhaps "bad," but I don't believe that is the case for either of us. Are we arguing out of some malicious intent? That would certainly be bad, but, again, I don't believe that is the case.


So we're arguing/discussing the merits of getting a formal Dx, I believe, for healthy reasons - to understand the issues and arrive at the best possible conclusions, objectively speaking.


In that sense, you will see me below respond to some of what you've written with the acronym: "PHEPH." This stands for post hoc ergo propter hoc, which you can read about here. I believe this particular logical fallacy applies in several instances, and I point this out now so that you will now I am not responding PHEPH to be malicious or harassing. Just trying to bring us to a better understanding of our respective positions on this somewhat sensitive subject matter.


So, from what I understand you are saying is: 'if one says they self-diagnosed themselves and have a certain condition, you could question that because of those fraud others who resorted to that because of some agenda, or to be cool.'


No - that is not precisely what I am saying (though it's not all that far off either, but I believe that even minor details and distinctions matter - go figure).


What I am saying, if you will permit me a sort of "thesis" here, is that self-diagnoses are inherently unreliable for several reasons. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that self-diagnoses are never accurate. In fact, I actually believe they are accurate more often than not. In my own case, I took several screening tests and self-Dx'd before being formally assessed, and my suspicions were confirmed. Others on here would argue that I wasted time and $$$ getting tested and that my self-Dx should have been sufficient unless I needed disability benefits or some sort of work accommodation. I consider myself a fairly logical person, though, and I never thought my Dx of me would be reliable - not even to me.


First and foremost, it is nearly impossible for human beings to be truly objective about themselves. We are (of course) very involved in ourselves. Maybe there are some people who could dispassionately self-diagnose without letting their subjective feelings and perceptions affect their judgment, but I would suggest that this is not true of the vast majority of people. In my case, I knew that, in the back of my mind, Asperger's would explain a lot of struggles in my life. I went to be tested for Asperger's to confirm my suspicions, but I was emotionally invested in the outcome.


My desire to understand what makes me different had me zeroing in on AS to the exclusion of other possible explanations. I wanted to be able to put a nice label on myself that would answer all my questions and explain all my concerns. My evaluator advised me that he would only assess me generally to start and not specifically for AS in the first session. He informed me that he would only test specifically for AS in a subsequent session if such testing was indicated. At first this bothered me until I stopped to consider the logic of this. Basically, he was wanting to pursue it scientifically and objectively, moving from the general to the specific so as to avoid affecting the outcome by bringing in my preconceptions. I was glad I decided to let go of my preconceptions and let him do his work. I was Dx'd with ASD eventually, but he also noted several co-morbid issues that were treatable - issues we'd have missed if he just tested me for ASD like I initially wanted.


Next, and you touched on this above, there is the question of improper motives to self-diagnose ASD, of which fraud is a sort of subset.


If self-Dx is sufficient as a metric for ASD, then the unscrupulous members of our population could self-Dx in order to defraud the system for benefits and accommodations that should be reserved for those truly on the spectrum and who truly need them. Also, this would negatively affect statistics used to research autism, if NT's were being included in the data collected as if they were autistic. To some extent, this is inevitable, but it would more widespread if no formal testing was required.


Also, the Moby reference speaks for itself. This sort of thing happens. You get a major star on a show like BBT who is autistic, and suddenly it is (at least to some) "hip." This is another example of an "improper motive."


However, my own motive could be argues as improper. I wanted to be labelled autistic because I wanted to know I was not alone and that I was not an alien walking around in human clothes make-believing all day I'm something I am not just to get by. That's not as bad as Moby or an NT masquerading as autistic to get benefits, but my motives were not proper in that they were not scientific or detached. I am not saying my motives were wrong, but there were emotional and subjective, which is not a proper motive for testing. The only proper (not talking in right vs. wrong terms here) motive is to get an accurate and objective assessment. To get an accurate, objective, and reliable result, I needed an outside perspective.


Now for those wanting to self-Dx but not wanting anything from society (e.g., benefits, accommodations, etc.), there really is no harm in self-Dx. Possibly self-Dx are sufficiently accurate to give them peace of mind; however, it is not sufficiently accurate and reliable to serve as a basis for benefits or medical treatment. I would not expect anyone else to accept that I am autistic just because I say so, no matter how much independent research I've done. There's nothing independent of me to corroborate it. I wouldn't want NT's who self-Dx'd as autistic, regardless of motive, participating in clinical trials or research studies concerning autism thus skewing the results.
 
So, if I questioned if it was possible if any doctor was competent, or if a clinic was set up properly or with improper practices, policies and procedures, would that then not make logical sense to be fair game too, and especially if more doctors were doing medical wrongs, than self-diagnosers doing some wrong.


I'm not 100% sure I am understanding what you've written here, but I think you're saying that because some doctors/practitioners operate improperly, "self-diagnosers" are equally as reliable in their conclusions. If so, then that is a good PHEPH. One statement does not logically follow the other. They are independent issues.


Following your "logic" (if I understood you correctly), it would only be "fair game" to grant disability benefits to "self-diagnosers" because doctors sometimes misdiagnose ASD. This would however, be quite illogical. For starters, "fair game" is largely a subjective and emotional judgment. The question is whether someone has a reliable diagnosis of ASD and whether his/her unique presentment of ASD requires benefits. A professional Dx does not become less reliable or equally reliable with self-diagnoses simply because some (but admittedly not all) doctors improperly practice or make occasional misdiagnoses.


It is only natural to question things for everything then, or for nothing.


This again is a PEPH. In context, you are saying here that, "Some doctors misdiagnose/practice improperly, and so we must either question all diagnoses (self and professional) or none at all." One does not follow the other.


To either trust for everything, or to mistrust for all, or to trust but verify, for all, and especially if health and potential future suffering or some improper related gain is involved.


Again, PEPH. Because doctors and clinics sometimes get it wrong, we must trust all diagnoses (self and professional), mistrust them all, or trust but verify them all.


Consider this statement: some doctors misdiagnose strep throat (which is admittedly much easier to Dx than ASD), and so we should equally trust all strep throat diagnoses (self and professional), mistrust them all, or trust but verify them all. It doesn't follow.


All I am saying is doctors are not above prejudgment, if those self-diagnosed persons are being prejudged negatively, too.


This sentence, at least for me, presents two separate issues. I will try to deal with them separately.


First you pointed out that doctors are not above "prejudgment." If you are saying that doctors are not above scrutiny, then I agree, though I would tend to reserve judgment until I had reviewed some evidence concerning their methods and operations, and so I am not comfortable with "prejudgment."


As to self-Dx, the issue is somewhat different. The subjective nature of a self-Dx inherently affects reliably even before the criteria for the self-Dx is considered. Still,


However, I would urge everyone to prejudge a doctor's qualifications if ASD is suspected. THis is where a self-Dx becomes useful. The ideal process would be: (1) subject recognizes symptoms, challenges, and/or behaviors consistent with autism; (2) without totally presupposing autism to the exclusion of other potentially valid explanations for said symptoms/challenges/behaviors (explanations of which the subject, as a layperson, might not even be aware), the subject looks for a doctor/clinic with the requisite specialized skills and credentials to formally diagnose autism; (3) subject reports to an appropriate doctor/clinic for assessment; and (4) patient either accepts the results of testing immediately or seeks a second opinion.


Bear in mind, even if the subject being tested was a doctor specializing in diagnosing AS/ASD, I would not regard the self-DX as reliable unless the doctor obtained a corroborating Dx from another, suitably qualified physician/clinician.
 

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