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Any Aspies with language delays, difficulties or stutter?

breadfin

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Hi, am new to the forum. Am looking to share info with others and trying to figure out my son's diagnosis as well.

I have self-diagnosed myself an aspie- have most of the traits- but never have had difficulty with gross motor skills (for example). My father is a true aspie- has all the traits. The reason I self-diagnosed was due to my two older sons. My oldest did not speak until he was 3 years old and now at 7 has some obvious traits of asperger's, but not all- he is not diagnosed because he got in under the radar. My second child has ALL of the traits and is very much like my father- actually, in every way but one (language issues- which I will discuss below). We also have some possible cousins on my father's side of the family who have asperger's.

Looking back at my childhood I wished I had been diagnosed. Always alone- even in highschool- had no clue about people- had very low self-esteem- had no clue how to start or continue a conversation. Still a bit this way, on all counts, but have found ways to cope, somewhat (my husband is very people centered so this helps a LOT).

Per my son. Here's a short history.

My son was diagnosed at 3 with PDD-NOS- had all the traits (sensory integration, eye contact limitations, fine/gross motor difficulties, language delay/literal understanding/pragmatism, socially "inept," loves routine (but not obsessed with it) and has the usual obsessive interests, etc.) The thing though is since my son has started speaking (though still a delay and stutters) he has been very interested in people (wants to talk/interact with them, etc.) but of course has no clue how (no social boundaries, no sense of personal space, little eye contact at times, does not understand the turn-taking of conversations, etc.). He is in kindergarten (now 5) and still does parallel play with friends (though has told me again and again that he wants his friends to like him and wants to play with them but doesn't know how.)

I returned to see his psychologist about five months back- and to my utter shock- she said that she no longer believed that my son had PDD!!! She saw him for five minutes and because he could keep eye contact with me for longer than a minute and because he showed me his drawing, she thought that he didn't have PDD. I have worked obsessively with my son for years. Because we live in Quebec, where it is very difficult to find English programs for children with PDD, he has had no access to help for his PDD and very little for his language. I did everything I could to help him- I quit my job, took courses, opened a specialized daycare for children with special needs, learned as much as I could about PDD-Austism-Asperger's. I helped my son go from a non-talker, who was terrified of every sound and flashing light, who was obsessed with animals (could watch ants outside for hours), to a child who can now talk pretty well (though has some difficulty finding words and stutters), is more comfortable with sounds, has a few more interests and now at five years old has actually entered regular kindergarten class. My boy still has all of the traits of PDD- or asperger's- but he has learned to retain eye contact for longer periods of time and yes will share his work with me because he has achieved so much and is so proud of his achievements (I've had PDD children in my care do the same and I have also helped them with eye contact, speech, etc.).

The only problem is that (1) he so direly wants to have friends, which is "odd behaviour" the psychologist says for someone who is autistic- it would make more sense if he had asperger's, but my boy does not have the vocabulary expected of an aspie. Now I do- I studied English Literature in University with great success, even achieving my masters degree- and am a writer. And my father is VERY well-spoken- to the point of annoyance when he's learned a new word.

So after all that babbling- maybe someone here can shed some light on this- maybe from your experience. I'm tired of reading about what the experts say- I want to know what people have seen or experienced themselves. Are any of you aspies with language delay/stutters or maybe high-functioning autism with language delays/stutter?

Maybe there is something in what I wrote that touches you in some way? I really need to hear some feedback from those who live the life of an aspie instead of reading experts talk about what they perceive are aspies- and since I'm only self-diagnosed, I'm still very unsure of where I stand (I know that sounds weird) but when I found out about PDD-asperger's, my childhood made so much sense- I realized that I wasn't stupid but that I had a problem reading people/understanding them.

I honestly feel like a failure for my son right now- how can I help him if I can't even understand what is going on with him. Is he an aspie with a language delay (but from what I've read that doesn't exist) or is he PDD-NOS but is able to keep eye contact, actually wants to have friends and is willing to share his work (which the psychologist said is impossible a child with PDD).

A confused mother.
 
Don't worry - I only spoke at the age of 5 and now I'm doing ok - at least I'm still in some normal, mainstream school.

Welcome to Aspies Central!
 
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Hi Geordie,

So were you diagnosed as having asperger's- even though you didn't speak until 5- or are you high functioning autistic? Or are they one and the same?

I just find it difficult to deal with some of the professionals- and I know they mean well and are probably swamped- but a child can definitely learn eye contact- my son did- and I did as well (self-taught). And the idea that an aspie or high-functioning austistic cannot share his/her work with others seems odd to me- and I have certainly taught my child and others to have pride in their work and to enjoy having others enjoy it as well- or am I not getting something here. How can a psychologist say that my child is not PDD-NOS- or autistic or asperger's- because he has eye contact and because he shares his work with me? What about all of his other traits?

I'm not worried about my son per se- I know he'll be ok- he has a lot of determination, he is a kind and loving child and he has actually started regular kindergarten (when everyone told me this could never happen). But if his diagnosis changes now, when he will finally start getting help in school, he will lose everything. We were promised an aid for 20 hours a week to work with him on socializing, speech/stuttering, concepts, fine motor skills, etc. We are still fighting to get this promised help and now if we lose the diagnosis, we lose everything. I've helped as much as I can at home- he needs to take the next steps at school and I can't do anything to help him there- I just hope that he finally gets some help.

N
 
Welcome to the forums, breadfin.

I wouldn't worry too much about what an "expert" says. I'm sure there are many cases of people on the spectrum being diagnosed as "A" and then assessed by someone different and diagnosed as "B". Remember that it is a spectrum and a very wide ranging one at that, so there will be overlap between each condition. With regards to HFA and Aspergers, there is an ongoing debate between the "experts" about whether the two conditions are separate or should be merged into one. Furthermore, there is also talk of removing Aspergers as well and simply calling it Autism Spectrum Disorder. You can read more here.

With regards to your comment about eye contact, anyone on the spectrum can learn eye contact - just as they can learn/adapt to making friends and having a social life. I used to have a very poor social life and no clue on how to make friends. Now, I enjoy a decent social life and I have some friends. It still is difficult for me in social settings but I am much better now than I was when younger. I am also better now at making eye contact and talking to people but I find that a lot of the time I have difficulty in getting the words out of my mouth due to either nervousness or problems controlling my voice/speaking clearly.

I hope that answers some of your questions. If you have any more then feel free to ask.
 
Hi Geordie,

So were you diagnosed as having asperger's- even though you didn't speak until 5- or are you high functioning autistic? Or are they one and the same?

I just find it difficult to deal with some of the professionals- and I know they mean well and are probably swamped- but a child can definitely learn eye contact- my son did- and I did as well (self-taught). And the idea that an aspie or high-functioning austistic cannot share his/her work with others seems odd to me- and I have certainly taught my child and others to have pride in their work and to enjoy having others enjoy it as well- or am I not getting something here. How can a psychologist say that my child is not PDD-NOS- or autistic or asperger's- because he has eye contact and because he shares his work with me? What about all of his other traits?

I'm not worried about my son per se- I know he'll be ok- he has a lot of determination, he is a kind and loving child and he has actually started regular kindergarten (when everyone told me this could never happen). But if his diagnosis changes now, when he will finally start getting help in school, he will lose everything. We were promised an aid for 20 hours a week to work with him on socializing, speech/stuttering, concepts, fine motor skills, etc. We are still fighting to get this promised help and now if we lose the diagnosis, we lose everything. I've helped as much as I can at home- he needs to take the next steps at school and I can't do anything to help him there- I just hope that he finally gets some help.

N

Hi. That's kinda interesting that a person can lose a diagnosis when issues are still present... If you require help and don't have a diagnosis you might want to look for another specialist or maybe your school can help to asses him. I don't know about Canada but here in US they do it. I have 2 kids one was officially diagnosed at age of 2 and the other one was assessed but not diagnosed last year. I've been suggested to do it again this year but I'm not sure if I'm going to do it. I know it is hard but if you believe that your child can't receive necessary support without diagnosis, you should fight for it. My older son doesn't really have any speech delay, he has pretty good vocabulary but his speech is a little odd and he repeats words over and over sometimes, as if his mind gets stuck. Thankfully we can receive some support through local Autism organization even without diagnosis.
Have you talked to the person who diagnosed your son about your worries, that you might lose the necessary support? If so what did he/ she say?
 
I was diagnosed as a high functioning autistic person. People with Asperger's, to the best of my knowledge, has no significant speech delay or communication issues.

My biggest issue is communication problems. I felt that I wasn't treated seriously in Singapore, my home country, for my stuttering and repetitive speech patterns.

All the best to your child in whatever he sets out to do, breadfin :)
 
Thank you very much for your feedback! Much appreciated as it helps explain much about what I've read, experienced myself and gone through with my sons.

Per your question epath13, the appointment was very short- only 20 minutes- but the psychologist wanted to have another get-together which happens to be next week- and it'll be with other specialists.

She is under the impression that Finn might have all of these different diagnoses, including sensory integration disorder (SID), pragmatism, speech delay/stutter/disphasia, ADHD, obsessive compulsiveness that make it look like a PDD- and my son does have SID, pragmatism, the speech delay/stutter and obsessive compulsiveness but not ADHD- I've cared with children with ADHD and this is not at all like my child (I also realize that some kids with PDD have ADHD). Anyways, she's under the impression that my boy has all of these different things mixed in to make it look like he has PDD.

But I know my son. I know my own issues, especially during childhood, and those of my father and of his family. My son may now have eye contact and may be happy to share his work with me- but he still only parallel plays (and he is FIVE- parallel play usually stops around 2, if not earlier)- and has not made one friend as of yet in school- even his teacher- whom he sees him pretty much everyday- has noted that Finn has no social skills. I'm just frustrated because I see the PDD in him and his teacher does as well (she has worked with several children with PDD). I also have a son who does not have PDD- my youngest- and what a difference! He is exactly like my husband.

And yes, if my son loses his diagnosis, he will lose the necessary support- which we're still waiting for- been two years now- and I thought that now being in the school system, we would finally get some head-way. So I will see next week at our appointment what the specialist says- and what she thinks about my son losing out on help.

It's been especially difficult because I've seen tons of children with PDD in my daycare get the help they need- they get a whole slew of specialists including occupational therapists, speech therapists, you name it- but their services are faster because they speak French- the English therapists are swamped because there are so few of them. It's very frustrating.

I'm going to start contacting Autism/PDD organizations and getting him in there asap- at least he could meet up with some other children like him and with me there, I can help him at least learn some social skills- and maybe that can dribble into his school life.

Thanks again everyone.

N
 
That's what PDD-NOS would be, not quite fitting into one or the other category. Thing about ASDs, the presentation can be very much variable from one person to the next. In the case of your son I'd say he'd fit that diagnosis over any of the others and I'd encourage his social initiative for his own benefit.

I would rule in favor of "high functioning" autism, which is basically autism with language delay and social troubles, but with a less obvious presentation than you would expect from classic autism. He may be on or at the threshold of Asperger's, I don't know, but from what I've read language issues are not uncommon with Asperger's and that may be likely. I didn't begin speaking until around 3 and around that time it was pretty obvious I had something going on. Fortunately I'm doing a lot better for myself, somehow without any additional support besides speech lessons in early school and a few counseling sessions here and there and I'm sure your son will do just as fine in life if you guide him in the right path and treat him well.
 
Well, I have Asperger's, and had a slight speech delay. My parents said I spoke very late, although once I learned, I had a really good vocabulary for a child.

I have often been told I have an unusual voice. I've been told I pronounce words rather distinctly, and the general flow of it is unusual and "too even". I personally think mine is subtle compared to a lot of other Aspies, though. I probably wouldn't notice if if so many people didn't point it out. Volume is another one (usually too soft) and the "explosiveness" and energy of something I get into is another.

I also have a weird stutter that comes and goes. I feel like it's when I'm stressed and different thoughts are jumbling around at the same time. That can vary and its really inconsistent, which I find frustrating. "Normally" it's non-existent, but when I get it, I feel like it's bad.
 
That's really interesting because my son is very loud when he speaks- has a hard time to tone down his voice at times. He started speaking at 3 1/2- no speech whatsoever before this- wouldn't even ask for a drink. Then one day just started speaking in sentences- though he will mix up the word order from time to time or may take a few minutes to find a word- he's also still building on his vocabulary. The stutter began about a year after he began speaking.

I was also like this- no speech whatsoever before I was about 2 1/2 and then out of the blue just started speaking in full sentences in both English and French- people always noted how adult-like I sounded. But I was never loud and never stuttered- I can also be very soft spoken.

N
 
Eventually, the Aspies will be self-aware of their pitch... and they'll find out for themselves

All the best to your child, breadfin :)
 
Well, I have Asperger's, and had a slight speech delay. My parents said I spoke very late, although once I learned, I had a really good vocabulary for a child.

I have often been told I have an unusual voice. I've been told I pronounce words rather distinctly, and the general flow of it is unusual and "too even". I personally think mine is subtle compared to a lot of other Aspies, though. I probably wouldn't notice if if so many people didn't point it out. Volume is another one (usually too soft) and the "explosiveness" and energy of something I get into is another.

I also have a weird stutter that comes and goes. I feel like it's when I'm stressed and different thoughts are jumbling around at the same time. That can vary and its really inconsistent, which I find frustrating. "Normally" it's non-existent, but when I get it, I feel like it's bad.

I don't think I had any kind of speech/language delays, but what you're describing sounds a little bit like my speech patterns. Recently, I was having a video chat with someone who told me when I asked if I displayed any obvious AS characteristics that one noticeable thing was that I seemed to sort of take a deep breath at the beginning of a sentence and sort of spit out all of the words at once without pausing much. Volume modulation is something else that seems to be a bit of an issue for me; people frequently ask me to repeat myself because I'm speaking too quietly or ask me to speak a little more quietly, especially if I'm excited about something. The big thing that the psychiatrist who gave me my AS diagnosis pointed out is that I speak with a bit of a monotone, but I don't really hear it when I listen to recordings of myself even though I do think I sound kind of weird occasionally (but that seems to be nearly everyone).
 
I don't think I had any kind of speech/language delays, but what you're describing sounds a little bit like my speech patterns. Recently, I was having a video chat with someone who told me when I asked if I displayed any obvious AS characteristics that one noticeable thing was that I seemed to sort of take a deep breath at the beginning of a sentence and sort of spit out all of the words at once without pausing much. Volume modulation is something else that seems to be a bit of an issue for me; people frequently ask me to repeat myself because I'm speaking too quietly or ask me to speak a little more quietly, especially if I'm excited about something. The big thing that the psychiatrist who gave me my AS diagnosis pointed out is that I speak with a bit of a monotone, but I don't really hear it when I listen to recordings of myself even though I do think I sound kind of weird occasionally (but that seems to be nearly everyone).

I feel like your voice, at least from what I heard, isn't much different from mine in a basic sense. I think mine is a bit more subtle due to gender/accent/pitch differences though. I've been told I had a slight monotone voice in comparison to others, which is something I can't really hear out of myself, particuarly the Ben Stein image I get in my head (which I don't think you have either :p).

I think it's that the flow of sentences are 'too even' is probably it. I think it's similar for you also.

Of course I'm not sure how accurate I can judge myself, either. I probably would have never thought my voice was particularly unusual if it hadn't been pointed out so much by others IRL.
 
Hi everyone,

Had my appointment for my son- and a diagnosis of PDD-NOS was confirmed, with high possibility of Asperger's. She said that she wants to wait and see how his language develops before she makes this final diagnosis. She even asked me a few questions about my past- and then asked if I wanted to go through diagnosis or needed any help with my syndrome- she thinks I also have Asperger's.

I think my son's drawings helped confirmation- he drew a plate and stairs.

N
 
Hi everyone,

Had my appointment for my son- and a diagnosis of PDD-NOS was confirmed, with high possibility of Asperger's. She said that she wants to wait and see how his language develops before she makes this final diagnosis. She even asked me a few questions about my past- and then asked if I wanted to go through diagnosis or needed any help with my syndrome- she thinks I also have Asperger's.

I think my son's drawings helped confirmation- he drew a plate and stairs.

N

so it went pretty well. congrats!
are you going to try to obtain a diagnosis for yourself?
 
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It would be nice to have a confirmation, but I've done so much research on the topic- and will continue to do so of course- plus I fit all the symptoms perfectly. I just don't have the money to get a diagnosis- right now everything is going towards my sons. I don't really need a final diagnosis anyways- I'm comfortable with my own diagnosis. And she did say it was highly likely I did have Asperger's.

N
 
I am told that I did not talk much when I was very young (preschool). My mom told me that one day a neighbor came up to her and said he didn't know I could talk. Apparently he overheard me telling a story to my younger brother. He had never heard me speak before.

When I went to school they put me in a speech therapy class so apparently I did have some issues that way. I was never really a stutterer in the classic sense but I am much more comfortable communicating in writing than I am speaking. Sometimes things come out wrong or I get hung up on a word or I know what I want to say but can't think of it when I am talking to other people.

I was diagnosed as perceptually handicapped/emotionally disturbed/ADD back in the 1960's. Today I'd probably be Aspergers or PDD-NOS. Back then it was a very shameful thing. Now that ADD is somewhat more "acceptable" I can cover up some of my little quirks and issues by saying I have ADD. Most people at my job do not really know about my history and I'd like to leave it that way.
 
Do you think that having trouble recalling the noun of the sentence is something AS, or generally something human? Do you listen to people talk and notice that sometimes people will put the F word or another swear word in their sentence right before a noun? I don't like swearing and I analyzed that in myself. Nowadays I will hesitate in a sentence right before a noun so I wonder if it helps people call up the noun they need in general... not sure.
However, whether that part is just part of AS, or all humans or whatever, When I speak sometimes I will call up and speak the wrong noun. Sometimes a verb comes out in place of the noun for example: Asking for the dust pan I'll call it a 'swept' then say the right word. My boys know what I'm talking about though, but it still bugs me.
 

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