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I'm an expert at flirting because...

The women here are right. Since generalizing about women in the World of dating does not bring good feelings, it's easier for me to change than force my emotional or ptsd viewpoint. It's better to be diplomatic. Besides I'm going off topic as I had meant this thread as a comedic release from social frustrations. May anyone please remind me when I go off topic again. Otherwise I will have no choice but to moderate myself & temporarily abandon the role of OP here.

This thread is for everyone, both women and men. Fairness & fun is a good thing. Thanks for your gentle patience with me.
 
Your voice and opinion are important. Interesting! So your gut is telling you to stay away from men who just judge you on looks. That makes sense & is intelligent. Who likes a pushy salesman? If I was a woman I'd do the same. But then again I'd probably be Catwoman! [I love cats.] Hmmm...so getting into an intelligent conversation with someone interesting might work for you? Plus maybe getting used to someone first might also be good?

Btw I'm not always right about Alpha males. Many women date and marry introverted men.



I can't speak for other aspie females of course, but I don't like being the centre of attention. I withdraw if a male shows me special attention based on my looks alone.

So basically I naturally shy away from males that show me attention, and the other males don't show me attention... so either way getting a date is particularly difficult.

The very thing you think I have working for me, is actually in effect working against me.
 
Thanks Soup! It’s from the Clint Eastwood movie “Pale Rider.” 8 kids? 6 different women? Hmmm [Western accent] “I figured Josey Wales would be more traditional”

Yes I know…thanks for saying it in such a kind way. I’m wrong. Lots of women marry introverted men. That’s true about what you are saying per measuring up to some mystical image of the Alpha couple. YOU SHOULD WRITE FOR A LIVING! Really, I like your style & you are talented. Hmmm interesting thing you have said about online dating and who is there on the sites. I agree with you, that makes sense. Soup have you ever thought about writing an online dating article? I agree with so much of what you have written I can't add to it or comment.

Dating for female Aspies-I’ve heard the same thing from many women complaining they were hit on so much online they did not have time to write back to everyone. Then they also complained about the weirdoes, the guys who right away asked for the phone numbers & the ones who were sexually explicit in the first email.

Arrogance-that is true as I’ve not only heard it from women but have heard it from men. Of course a real scary thing for women might be you never know which is a good guy and which guy might be too pushy/violent. Soup you have summed up a good portion of the woman’s point of view per dating.

Perhaps for both genders, it might appear easier for the other one per dating. Maybe in reality it’s difficult for both but just in different ways. Your expience with that guy while you were with Mr. Soup amazes me. It amazes me because quite frankly I still get shocked when men treat women that way.

You are a “pipsqueak?” Now you just made me laugh. That is true what you said about men labeling women. Also about Aspie women being more at danger if not recognizing certain signals or being too trusting.
@ Sparticus: you had me laughing again. Mr.Preacher man? Really? What a hoot! Umm....the real Eastwood's romantic life reads like a train-wreck: 8 kids with 6 different women. Those are just the ones publicly known.

As or women wanting alpha males, if you look around, honestly, very few guys measure up to this vague ideal. It is like the alpha female thing: how many stunningly gorgeous, successful, brilliant, confident, witty & affluent women are there, realistically, out there? Even those who may look the part often lead personal lives that are tragic: I sure as hell would not trade places with Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana, Lindsay Lohan, Kate Moss or Britney Spears & a host of other young train-wreck so-called bombshells!

Although you may well have experience with many dating site women, that still represents a relatively constricted sample since only a narrow type of women uses those services. The alpha woman type is not on 'match dot com' or 'plenty of fish' hoping to find an alpha dude millionaire. Alpha guys (wealthy execs, heirs to fortunes, celebs etc.) are not there either! Married women or those in a relationship are not there, few really beautiful women join & few elderly women do either. Most members over age 35 are either divorcees or have been in a long-term relationship that ended. Many have kids from a previous relationship & the same is true for the men. Most of the people are there because they are having difficulties meeting someone 'in real life'. Those who claim that they are too busy to meet someone are not necessarily being sincere: if they are so busy, how will they find time to devote to an actual relationship?

As for it being easier for us Aspie women, romance-wise, it may be true. Society still expects guys to be initiators & pursuers so they usually make the 1st move (& risk looking like an idiot or getting rejected). Being reasonably conventionally attractive helps, but it is a double-edged sword: you get hit on so much that it gets invasive (sometimes scary) & annoying. Also, there is a certain male arrogance, promoted in media like movies & ads (-even cartoons!) wherein really gorgeous/shapely women are (supposedly) willing to settle for unattractive guys; some who have little to offer (maladjusted, 'recovering' addicts, broke, angry...)

Look at late night cartoons for adults, for example. Look at the figures on Marge Simpson, Francine (Stan's wife in American Dad), Peter Griffin's wife, Wilma Flintstone & Betty Rubble, Jane Jetson & even Jimmy Falcone's wife 'Cookie'! Now, compare them to their husbands. Watch ads for Viagra & Cialis: the men are often balding & grey older men BUT the women are significantly younger & usually much more attractive! Beer ads are notorious for this. NEWS FLASH: shapely, stunning young women are NOT interested in schloomphy, paunchy guys (unless they're fabulously wealthy) anymore than gorgeous, hot guys are into really plain women!!!

This often happens in ads for other products too. This reflects a certain unspoken culture of male entitlement: they get to judge our looks & figure (& describe meeting a 'hot blonde' a 'tall & tanned beauty' all of which says nothing about character!) BUT if we do the same,we are shallow gold-digging biatches. I cry foul, here.

THe following happened to me last Spring in Atlanta with Mr. Soup. I was sitting in the hotel lobby. Mr. Soup ambled over, spoke to me for a bit, then went off to the concierge for some info. Some guy waltzed over & tried chatting at me. I was clearly not interested. The guy said, "What: you were friendly enough with that other guy: I'm not good enough for you?" The presumptuousness of this jerk was astounding! I got up & left. I didn't feel like I owed him any explanation of my male preferences. Even if that hadn't been my husband & I was a single woman chatting with a single guy, it doesn't mean I somehow am obligated to talk to any guy that shambled by or believes he is entitled to my attentions & justify my choices!

It is easier but harder in some ways because guys are seldom in physical danger from women (YES, there are a few crazy, psycho broads out there). We have to worry about sexual assaults of all kinds, stalkers, getting drugged & 'date raped', battered... & our comparatively smaller size in most cases (I'm a pipsqueak) increases our vulnerability. We get labeled in ways men do not: especially in some cultural communities. All you have to do is smile at some guy or make eye-contact & it means you 'asked for it'. Physical/social & cultural vulnerability complicate our lives. As Aspie women, we may be more likely to miss or misinterpret signals from a guy, rendering us at an increased risk: esp. the younger, less experienced among us. Its complicated!
 
Your voice and opinion are important. Interesting! So your gut is telling you to stay away from men who just judge you on looks. That makes sense & is intelligent. Who likes a pushy salesman? If I was a woman I'd do the same. But then again I'd probably be Catwoman! [I love cats.] Hmmm...so getting into an intelligent conversation with someone interesting might work for you? Plus maybe getting used to someone first might also be good?

Btw I'm not always right about Alpha males. Many women date and marry introverted men.

Thank you Sparticus. Yes and yes; every male I've dated has been intelligent and introverted, and I have gotten to know them first before progressing to dating. Most have started with email correspondence (haha, even the one sitting across the office from me), but not all. It's not that I specifically seek out the quieter ones, it's just their preferred methods of approaching me happen to align with my preferred methods of being approached.

If the direct approach method is not working for you, I can pretty well guarantee there's females out there where it's not working for them either.

And I note I have carefully worded this so you do not know my sample size ; )
 
Emails-even the one sitting across the office from you! How sweet and romantic. Amazing, Soup, you and other women here have been telling me to change my methods. And yet, stubborn me, thought I knew the answer. But you are right. My direct methods are not working, are frustrating and need to be changed. From now on I will wear a Scientists White lab coat, with paper & pen in hand, asking "Scientific" dating questions of women offline! :nerd:Ok I joke...

So thanks to you Christy and the women here, I will be more selective. And will figure out how to change my approach. After all it's not helpful if I waste my time talking to someone who is not right for me. And the same for her. Thanks!!!!!!!!!


Thank you Sparticus. Yes and yes; every male I've dated has been intelligent and introverted, and I have gotten to know them first before progressing to dating. Most have started with email correspondence (haha, even the one sitting across the office from me), but not all. It's not that I specifically seek out the quieter ones, it's just their preferred methods of approaching me happen to align with my preferred methods of being approached.

If the direct approach method is not working for you, I can pretty well guarantee there's females out there where it's not working for them either.

And I note I have carefully worded this so you do not know my sample size ; )
 
@Sparticus: Have you not noticed how your sincere & witty sense of humour has enabled you to finesse over any blunder you may have made? How despite several...lapses...in judgment nobody has taken deep offense at anything you have said? Ditch the flirting at first & use your natural un-complicated sense of humour . It will put many women at ease. My sense of humour is often so obscure & plain weird that people die laughing when I'm being dead serious & take me very seriously when I'm joking! The awkwardness that you feel is probably one of your more endearing qualities. Overly suave & charming men too often turn out to be someone very different to how they packaged themselves. The same is true about women who seem to 'morph' into whomever their target guy seems to need them to be at any given moment. This manipulation is often indicative of someone with a hidden agenda (like her hands in your bank accounts, her name on your insurance policies, the guy carting the woman off to his shed in the woods, the guy getting her into his yahoo wacko cult...) THe person gets you hooked onto a false persona tailored to appeal to you.

You also tend to shine when you talk about your son & interesting experiences you have had. As for ptsd, you are by no means alone here. Many people on this site have been diagnosed with this too! It can rear its head & affect them in many ways. We get it.
 
I can't speak for other aspie females of course, but I don't like being the centre of attention. I withdraw if a male shows me special attention based on my looks alone.

So basically I naturally shy away from males that show me attention, and the other males don't show me attention... so either way getting a date is particularly difficult.

The very thing you think I have working for me, is actually in effect working against me.


I agree with Christy. Women may attract the male gaze, but if you avoid that - then their attraction means nothing in terms of real life. I shy away from assertive men, at least, I use to when I dated.
 
I am looking for a man that loves me and I can love, and that is compatible with me. Who that means practically neither values or devalues any other male compared to the one I choose and am chosen by.

In practical terms: how do you know when a man loves you?

Do you know if a man loves you?

how can you know? Love is a feeling, and nobody knows how other people feels. They just can guess based on his own experience, and aspies are really troubled on this.

I think that being loved means specific behaviors, so I'm asking you what ones are these behaviors that tell you that the man loves you.
 
The best advice is be yourself but also be patient that it will take time to find a person that accepts you exactly as you are. That's good advice for anyone, aspie or not.

No. That's useless advice. You may wait forever, and nobody will suddenly enter in your life from nowhere and cry "HELLO!! I'm a loving person who just entered your life to accept you as you are!"

These kind of things only occur on Disney movies, where also all man are princes, and women fall in love after being raped.

That kind of advice is only a "feel good" message. It says that you want the receiver to feel better, but is a pious lie. Just a lie.

Disclaim: Except if you are an extremely pretty woman. If you look like a newborn puppy, then a cascade of man will try to enter your life out of nothing. Even that doesn't mean that you will be happy, but you at least have a problem checked.
 
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I have read tons of flirting materials, and pick up handbooks. Once I was obsessed by that.

It helped me a lot to enhance my social interactions, get a job, and keep it. But I never was able to do the real thing: pick up a girl.

The reason is that I even can get a friend. Male or female. If I can't have an interesting interaction with a random people, getting one with a girl is hopeless.

The fact that the girl is wary of every man trying to pick her up makes all even worse.

I tried for years, and just renounced to that. Is out of my reach. I can't grab the clouds on the sky, as I can't pick up a girl.
 
*Sigh* Its days like today I hate being an aspie, I just had a drop dead gorgeous woman sit next to me to try to get my attention so that we could talk, but I just sat there like a mindless drone. Of course after she left I thought of the one million different things I could have said. :{
 
I have read tons of flirting materials, and pick up handbooks. Once I was obsessed by that.

It helped me a lot to enhance my social interactions, get a job, and keep it. But I never was able to do the real thing: pick up a girl.

The reason is that I even can get a friend. Male or female. If I can't have an interesting interaction with a random people, getting one with a girl is hopeless.

The fact that the girl is wary of every man trying to pick her up makes all even worse.

I tried for years, and just renounced to that. Is out of my reach. I can't grab the clouds on the sky, as I can't pick up a girl.

I correct: I can´t even get a friend

Sorry. English is not my language.
 
Today I think I am an expert at flirting because I lost 41 lbs. lmao

So begins my new life! I guess I need to embrace it! I am a person magnet. Bahahahahaha
 
I find flirting easier if I pretend not to care for the person I am flirting with.
However, once i tell her about my foot fetish it's mostly downhill after that lol....
 
I find flirting easier if I pretend not to care for the person I am flirting with.
However, once i tell her about my foot fetish it's mostly downhill after that lol....

That's . . . not something you want to share during a first meeting. No offense. Most people would take that very badly.
 
They do...but things blurt out of my mouth at will and the funny thing is that I don't really care what they think but if she has what I consider to be nice feet and toes then I will say it as well as complimenting her tootsies
 
I understand what it's like to blurt stuff out . . . but honestly, I don't think most people are looking for compliments on their feet. And if they've heard any stereotypes at all about foot fetishism, it's game over for you. I know you said you don't care what they think, but you must scare a lot of them off. I'm not saying that's your fault, mind you---just sharing my two cents' worth.

It's a far better idea to leave those sorts of compliments for when a person knows you well enough that he or she won't run the other way.
 
That's just me Ereth lmao...

I do appreciate your advice though....
 
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Actually don't you think it's worth getting something like that out in the open?
I mean it could save me alot of time
 

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