Looking for a group to help survey to conduct thesis on aspergers:

[dr.thesis]

Ok, so I'll just address the parts in your reply to my quote I've highlighted. I may not feel any change in my abilities to socialise, but I would probably definitely notice the strain to my eyes, so there's that. You've put me off even more by describing it as "almost like a power".

It's not the strain in the eyes. It's the ability to focus with the eyes which assists you to comprehend what's going on around you. Don't force the strain, just keep it focused and it should feel like a tight sensation around your forehead too. Keep that focus and read say a newspaper. Practice with it first. As I mention, it's not an overnight sensation. It's keeping you in tune with the present and allowing the brain to pick up naturally what's going on therefore forcing the frontal lobe to develop. In a few days or few weeks, if the thesis is correct, then socialising becomes natural and not forced or thought.

If you have any suggestions as to how I could have improved my romantic relationships that I was a failure in,my ears open.

I will come across this as an objective stance. Have you ever felt a connection with her? Have you ever looked into her eyes and her face that when she showed a warm emotion that you reciprocated an emotion on your face back right away to her automatically? Staring doesn't count by the way. Have you ever felt a strong flutter in your heart when she looked your way? A strong instinct and urge to protect her when you catch her eyes dilate at you? Each time you see her did you bond closer? If you do then congratulations because that's what neurotypicals feel everytime and if you do, then you have to be very high up on the spectrum. That there in a biological view is the serotonin in conjunction with the dopamine creating a powerful connection. It's rewarding the part of the brain for socialising. That same reaction applies to connections such as friends and family as well. Perhaps you were also talking at her, not with her or to her. It took me my whole life to figure it out and why I was never able to develop with people.

Keep in mind neurodiversity will NOT change. I hear what you say when you say listen to the autism community and I do. Especially the ones that are in anguish about trying to fit in society. I know how it feels. I felt alone my whole life. I sat alone on valentines day wanting to cry but numb as I watched couples went by year after year. What I'm trying to say is to remove the social blockage which will allow you to express it, let alone your emotions for those who seek to get away from social isolation. What do aspergers have in common? Lack of connection and development with peers due to poor or blockage of communication. They think of communication instead of naturally expressing it due to the weak frontal lobe. Strengthen the frontal lobe then communication will be natural, not thought or acted.

 

[xudo]

It's not the strain in the eyes. It's the ability to focus with the eyes which assists you to comprehend what's going on around you. Don't force the strain, just keep it focused and it should feel like a tight sensation around your forehead too. Keep that focus and read say a newspaper. Practice with it first. As I mention, it's not an overnight sensation. It's keeping you in tune with the present and allowing the brain to pick up naturally what's going on therefore forcing the frontal lobe to develop. In a few days or few weeks, if the thesis is correct, then socialising becomes natural and not forced or thought.

Sounds like I'd end up with a headache. Also, I'm not going to do any of that.

 

[dr.thesis]

It's like working out, but in saying that, I understand! Thank you for trying and your input. I'm still gathering data from other sites and people I'm talking too.

 

[Mary Terry]

Hi, Dr. Thesis. Your proposal, which may well have merit, reminds me of something called DORE exercises I used to do with my autistic nephew when he was a teenager. His autistic mother asked me to do these exercises with him as her own autism prevented her from being able to do them herself or show him how to do them, and her temperament precluded her from exercising necessary patience as he learned to do them. The exercises ranged from various eye focusing techniques, to learning dance steps, to practicing balancing on his feet, etc. I don't know if the exercises helped him develop missing/impaired neurological pathways in his brain, but he certainly enjoyed doing them. We had a blast doing the exercises together, especially learning dance steps, which culminated at his aunt's wedding when we danced together in front of everyone to a standing ovation. I'll never forget the pride and pure joy on his face.

Ignore the naysayers and go forward with your plans. You may be on the cutting edge of something valuable to those autistics who wish to participate. Posters on this website do not constitute or represent the entire autistic population by any means. They particularly underrepresent autistics who are low functioning and/or non-communicative.

 

[xudo]

Hi, Dr. Thesis. Your proposal, which may well have merit, reminds me of something called DORE exercises I used to do with my autistic nephew when he was a teenager.

I had never heard of DORE exercises, so I looked it up.

"The Dore programme (or Dore program), named after its creator, businessman Wynford Dore, is a method for improving skills such as reading and writing, attention and focus, social skills and sports performance through targeted physical exercises.

The validity of the program has been disputed, as it has not been subject to any conclusive study that meets the criteria for a randomised controlled trial."

Dore Programme - Wikipedia

Dore Treatment Criticized

 

[Mary Terry]

I had never heard of DORE exercises, so I looked it up.

"The Dore programme (or Dore program), named after its creator, businessman Wynford Dore, is a method for improving skills such as reading and writing, attention and focus, social skills and sports performance through targeted physical exercises.

The validity of the program has been disputed, as it has not been subject to any conclusive study that meets the criteria for a randomised controlled trial."

Dore Programme - Wikipedia

Dore Treatment Criticized

Thanks for clarifying what Dore Exercises are. I reviewed the references and see that it was primarily developed by people with dyslexia rather than with ASD.

 

[Ylva]

What will you lose? Nothing. If it works, what will you achieve? communication and people development. The feeling of connection isn't a magical thing, it feels real.

Pascal's Wager is flawed no matter what you apply it to. Nothing costs nothing.

Easy, then you won't feel any change, you won't be able to communicate as naturally.

I prefer to figure things out myself, thanks.

At any rate, there is already a way to "become" neurotypical. Elder Robinson went through it. It sounded awful, not that different from what I've already lived through as a girl, and has not been controlled for regression/his brain going back to normal, as far as I know.

 

[dr.thesis]

Quick summary. The frontal lobe being very important part of the brain that's associated with rewards and motivation but what is often left out is also expression of feelings among other things. Researches conducted that if lobotomy or damage to frontal lobe area, a person will usually still feel but fail to express emotions, especially on their face expressions which is important for any social advancements. It's also noted for expression of their voice and the way they move with body language is also affected to which then the aspie has to think and act out their cues. It is proven that autistic people have minimal activity in the frontal lobe while aspergers only have problem with the lower language in the frontal lobe of the brain. Can you see the connections I'm making? Remove that small barrier and the aspie is a genius.

Now ADHD has strong connections with asperger's to the point that they are often misdiagnosed with each other. They even share similar brain function of undeveloped or in my preference weakened frontal lobe. ADHD also share the poor activity in the frontal lobe so it is theorised dopamine is either sparked in other places of the brain which allows them to either day-dream or act out in a simulated fashion. In my opinion, ADHD and aspergers are one in the same, providing the only difference is that they share a lack of awareness or the ability to sustain attention while comprehending. The lack of awareness seems to be an acceptable connotation for ADHD/ADD. The only difference between these two is that I theorise that ADHD associates with the right side of the brain that involves creativity and visual is stronger while those with aspergers have a stronger left brain hemisphere which makes them very logical and analytical but beyond that they share one too many similar traits. Does that make sense?

3. Perhaps executive function such as DORE programme but it has its limit. It's being able to sustain what's going on and to absorb naturally what's going on around you and comprehend. It needs to be done for the brain to absorb consciously and unconsciously. For instincts to work, All brain lobes are required to be aligned together such as having balanced activity. At the moment the reason why you have to act it out, which I understand, is because your tapping into Default network mode of the brain. It's more of the analytical part of the brain of past memories and logic. It also retains a lot of social memories. In other words, you and alot of aspies would actually have the perfect social cues all along. It's just locked up in the DNM. If you can activate the frontal lobe or strengthen it, social cues will be unlocked and processed so natural through the frontal lobe, you'd question the plausibility of why or how you're doing it so. It will also require less energy to socialise as well. I remember I couldn't go to a socialising event without feeling awkward and coming home drained. After I've somehow strengthen my frontal lobe, I was able to socialise all day. I did things that I've never done before like phoned a friend and asked if I could come over to watch a movie. It didn't seem so scary or foreign, but something natural and exciting to do.

Also for the poster who mentioned that aspes didn't need cure from socialising, speak for yourself please. I can read. I see the same things over and over again in forums such as asking why they can't have relationships. Why can't they socialise. Why do they have to act the part of talking while everyone else can socialise normal. I'm not derising the fact over the aspies function but rather tackling the social isolation.

Now once again, I'll mention this once more. To try and strengthen the lobe, you must focus with your eyes at low activity of focus and tense the top and front part of your head. Don't do it too hard. Do it at a comfortable pace and try to sustain it on a daily basis, if not a whole day. In that state, comprehend and be aware. In Fact use it and read posts on here. The best way I can describe to how you could differentiate between DNM and frontal lobe is this. When you zone out or stare at the wall with a blank face. It does feel good and relaxing. That there is the highest activity of DNM. Even when you snap out of it, you are still close to that zone. You want to get away from it or at least control it. With that exercise it should be impossible to zone out, that's how you know you're using the frontal lobe. Your brain is consciously and unconsciously picking up the environment and people around you. It will take time, it's not a one day sensation. You will start feeling light headed to the point that your short term memory will be sharper.


This is my trump card. What if I was to say that I can prove that you can create activity in the frontal lobe. No-ones ever thought of this but in a months time after my synopsis, I will be working close with someone in the field of brain scans such as MRI or neuroimaging brain. Imagine the possibility of having the aspie take the scan and to follow a certain exercise, there was a brief activity in the frontal lobe. Asking that subject to maintain that exercise and come back in allocated time to see if the frontal lobe is more active. This will then follow on to ask the subjects experience and more. If it turns out to be a positive data will you guys whistle a different tune?

So again, I will post this once more. If there are any changes feel free to post here or email privately at [email protected].

 

[Mathalamus]

your Survey is a mess. you did not get the right approval, you did not, as far as i know, present any credentials that support your capability to make such a survey, and your tone apparently offended some people here.

if i were you, id pull the plug the survey. any result you'd get now, will be skewed, and contaminated, because you did not present it in a controlled environment, nor were you perfectly neutral about it.

 

[dr.thesis]

Please don't be so toxic. If you don't want to be apart of it, then ignore my thread and post in other threads that are available. Like many others I seek answers. I will be working with other medical officials and researches but sometimes not playing by the book first allows me to test the waters of what I'm heading into. Even then, from other forum sites I have gathered positive data.

I agree Aspergers is a WAY of thinking. Perhaps due to poor social development and lack of expressing of their feelings, of course they will spend more time thinking which allows them to think uniquely and powerful. It becomes an art or a way to them since the ability to think and analyze is enhanced. The thing that I keep seeing over and over again though is aspergers almost pass off as NT, but why the poor social skills and development.

Perhaps I should be clear on intent. At the moment I'm gathering data and discussion but mainly through sound theory of mind. Before I wander off into clinics to talk to others that are diagnosed with Aspergers face to face and to try this, then to Neurologists with brain scans, I want to see if I could understand myself. Just why was I able to snap out of this? Did I really have aspergers or was it some other onset diagnosis such as depression and anxiety.

Because of the discussion from the community and others, I'm able to look at it from different perspectives and to strengthen the questionnaire. For example:

-I now know this will not apply to all.

-I will ask questions such as what are NT's doing so differently from AS? Why have I suddenly been able to pick up social cues compared to when I was acting and thinking about it.

-So this allows me to back-track every state of mind that I had before and to what lead me here which perhaps there might be something different after all.

-When talking or socializing do the NT's feel a slight pressure in or around their forehead then, I will ask where and what type of pressure do AS feel when they talk.

So for my final conclusion that I will leave behind. Perhaps you don't need to strain the eyes and frontal lobe for long periods or too sustain all day. Perhaps you only need to only do it when socialising so that when you focus, you are potentially switching on the frontal lobe. Perhaps NT's do it without knowing and wouldn't know because it's second nature.

So perhaps if we change the survey to just that. Find someone you can trust and talk too and practice that while adding pressure to the forehead while focusing the details of their facial expression. If you do not want to talk to people then practice in the mirror. Talk without the pressure and focus from the forehead then compare yourself to when you talk normally. Do you hear yourself more? Perhaps when one add that pressure to the forehead they can feel the emotion being added to the voice as well as the expression then when compared to they talk normally, it's just monotone. Of course like I mention, it needs to be done a number of times but if there is any changes then that has to be it. I even noticed I became aware of how natural it became when I was talking and socalising.

Please let me know of any changes and send to my email [email protected] or leave a comment here. Thank you

 

[xudo]

Please don't be so toxic. If you don't want to be apart of it, then ignore my thread.

I wouldn't go so far as to say anybody has been 'toxic' towards you.

 

[Ylva]

Please don't be so toxic. If you don't want to be apart of it, then ignore my thread and post in other threads that are available.

Actually, if any one of us has a problem with what you are doing, that person is free to tell you so and tell you why. Stop calling criticism "toxic", it just makes people take you less seriously.

 

[dr.thesis]

Actually, if any one of us has a problem with what you are doing, that person is free to tell you so and tell you why. Stop calling criticism "toxic", it just makes people take you less seriously.

..And therefore I'm entitled to do the same. If I don't intend to remove my survey then I stated neutrally that to fix this problem is to simply not visit my thread.

 

[xudo]

..And therefore I'm entitled to do the same. If I don't intend to remove my survey then I stated neutrally that to fix this problem is to simply not visit my thread.

You're not at all entitled to criticise anyone here. You chose to come to this forum to ask it's members to help you. People have pointed out problems they see with what you have described, which you should accept because that is a fact of life when you are attempting to carry out some sort of research. Criticism is also a fact of life, and how you react to that and move forward says a lot about you. Feeling that you have the right to criticise people who have criticised you and/or your ideas for research says a lot about you too.

 

[tree]

I see I was mistaken originally when I supposed there was any need
to link OP to the Rules of Research Surveys. This subject appears to me
to be in no way what could be considered an academic study.

Instead I believe this is one person trying to say something like:
"I felt disconnected and people just weren't taking to me. So I
started staring intensely in their direction and now, hey I almost seem
to be normal. People think I am paying attention."

If there is more to this thread, I don't see it.

 

[WildCat]

To the OP and in response to my last post: sorry, but I'm going to have to drop out of this "study". Nothing happens when I try straining and focusing my eyes. Tried it several times too, and I'm not seeing any benefit. However...there is something else that has been scientifically proven time and time again to work:

I'm now going to be walking/running once or twice a week at a city park close to where I stay. Tried it out yesterday, and the benefits were immediately noticeable: felt great, gave me a rush, gives me time to take my mind off of things, and most importantly I'm improving my health and well-being (read: MY well-being first, not everyone else's). I felt a slight pain in my chest, but after a couple more rounds I'm sure it'll go away!

There's a wealth of information on the subject, so you can research it for yourself if it piques your curiosity. No study or advice needed here

 

[Mathalamus]

i agree with jonathan, and i often take a walk outside to clear my head, or think about things, or simply to refresh. most of the ideas nowadays actualy come to me because i was walking to and from the store.

 

[xudo]

I'm now going to be walking/running once or twice a week at a city park close to where I stay. Tried it out yesterday, and the benefits were immediately noticeable: felt great, gave me a rush, gives me time to take my mind off of things, and most importantly I'm improving my health and well-being (read: MY well-being first, not everyone else's). I felt a slight pain in my chest, but after a couple more rounds I'm sure it'll go away!

I am doing the same, albeit on a treadmill inside my house and I can confirm that I also feel better

 

[Khendra]

While your hypothesis isn't entirely off-the-wall -- Dario Nardi's brain studies have linked the front of the brain to being the seat of what we more or less know as the behavior of "extroversion" (there are more dopamine receptors in this part of the brain as well, the neurotransmitter that causes us to "act" rather than merely "reflect") -- I nonetheless have some serious questions about your methods to "enhance" activity in this part of the brain ("straining one's eyes"? Is there no better alternative to start with? Why not just dive in and try to socialize boldly?).

I know more or less the sensations you are talking about, in the rare times where I have chosen to be social in unfamiliar surroundings. Nonetheless, I don't really prefer to be so. I get along well with my spouse and can talk to him with ease. Others, I tend to disengage from, and do that thing where a person thinks and analyzes rather than engage in that spontaneous natural "social cue" back-and-forth. It's kind of like a protective mechanism.

There are other things to potentially consider. I'm thinking maybe you're an ENTP who grew up in a more introverted household. Therefore your natural extroversion preference didn't come out until later because your upbringing made you spend more time in the back of the brain than what is typical for someone of your wiring. But now you're finally getting to be your extroverted self, due to your extroverted willpower. But for those of us who, genetically, may actually prefer to operate more in the back of the brain, we're going to continue to get exhausted more than you when we attempt to engage the front. That's not to say we could perhaps become more skilled in that part of the brain than we were before. But if current neuroscience and type theory is correct, people are permanently hard-wired to excel (or use) more of either the front or back, and no practices will permanently alter this "preference."

Finally, there is the issue that has come up repeatedly in this thread -- some people may not want to change into what you've described. Whatever frustrations arise from being socially awkward, a lot of Aspies would still rather have their enhanced processing for analysis, thought, etc. rather than direct brain activity toward more neurotypical behaviors.

Anyway, I encourage you to research this. Just keep in mind that the results may not line up with all your preconceptions, and keep in mind that the methods may need some tweaking as well.

 

[dr.thesis]

While your hypothesis isn't entirely off-the-wall -- Dario Nardi's brain studies have linked the front of the brain to being the seat of what we more or less know as the behavior of "extroversion" (there are more dopamine receptors in this part of the brain as well, the neurotransmitter that causes us to "act" rather than merely "reflect") -- I nonetheless have some serious questions about your methods to "enhance" activity in this part of the brain ("straining one's eyes"? Is there no better alternative to start with? Why not just dive in and try to socialize boldly?).

I know more or less the sensations you are talking about, in the rare times where I have chosen to be social in unfamiliar surroundings. Nonetheless, I don't really prefer to be so. I get along well with my spouse and can talk to him with ease. Others, I tend to disengage from, and do that thing where a person thinks and analyzes rather than engage in that spontaneous natural "social cue" back-and-forth. It's kind of like a protective mechanism.

There are other things to potentially consider. I'm thinking maybe you're an ENTP who grew up in a more introverted household. Therefore your natural extroversion preference didn't come out until later because your upbringing made you spend more time in the back of the brain than what is typical for someone of your wiring. But now you're finally getting to be your extroverted self, due to your extroverted willpower. But for those of us who, genetically, may actually prefer to operate more in the back of the brain, we're going to continue to get exhausted more than you when we attempt to engage the front. That's not to say we could perhaps become more skilled in that part of the brain than we were before. But if current neuroscience and type theory is correct, people are permanently hard-wired to excel (or use) more of either the front or back, and no practices will permanently alter this "preference."

Finally, there is the issue that has come up repeatedly in this thread -- some people may not want to change into what you've described. Whatever frustrations arise from being socially awkward, a lot of Aspies would still rather have their enhanced processing for analysis, thought, etc. rather than direct brain activity toward more neurotypical behaviors.

Anyway, I encourage you to research this. Just keep in mind that the results may not line up with all your preconceptions, and keep in mind that the methods may need some tweaking as well.

Perhaps I was misdiagnosed as Aspergers then.

You see growing up I had developmental delays. I didn't get my licence until 23 when even my youngest sibling got it before me. It's like everyone knew what was going on and only told in the last second. I had mute selection and only got along with people that had some problem such as speech impediment to low self esteem. Maybe my brain decided to mature. I don't know.

I think your evaluation of me creating emotional sentimental to the point of trying to figure out what's going on and why is pretty spot on. It's full-on for me that all of suddenly I was able to comprehend, lead group discussions to the point my memory became sharper as well as my processing speed which is important for conversations. Conversations are on sync as well. It's no surprise that I freaked and tried to post something that could've potentially help just anyone.

I agree some people don't want to change but I was hoping to bridge the gap for the posts that do show up of why they aren't able to talk socialise or talk to people even if they tried. Even though I might not have created any change, but if it was just for one person who might have been misdiagnosed and help then that there is what I want. For those that post like they're out of this place or trapped or don't know why everyone else seem to connect and sync, I do want to let them know that I've been there. I know what it's like and you aren't alone in any reason for why you wonder why the powerful isolation in this alien world. Perhaps I've become an alien now after-all and will focus on people skill and social development as of now. Sorry for any offenses I've caused and thanks.