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Featured Looking for a group to help survey to conduct thesis on aspergers:

Discussion in 'General Autism Discussion' started by dr.thesis, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. dr.thesis

    dr.thesis Active Member

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    Hello, I am looking for a group of people that have an awareness and understanding of their conditions and are willing to try an exercise that could possibly unlock their social ques. I want to share an awaking that I've experienced and want people to have that joy. What if I was to say there is a possibility to help or at least alleviate the problems with aspergers such as lack of social ques and development with people to the point that you might be able to experience what it's like to be neurotypical in social situations. Like many of you, I suffered aspergers but I've somehow figured a way out and be able to become apart of society- but I need more people to who are willing to help me replicate result and give me a feedback. If this works, this could potentially solve a lot of issues such as socially awkwardness and maybe answer why to the phenomenon of why people lack the social ques associated with some disorders.

    We know people that have aspergers have higher activity within their DNM (Default network mode) part of the brain. The DNM is responsible linked to a rested state hence, the possible lack of awareness, over thinking, logic while the frontal part of the brain which is responsible for social cues has minimum activity. While the brain activity is tapping into their DNM, when they apply it to the outside world such as a social situations and ques, it overthinks and begins to wonder how people do it, while social-cues are automatic and should feel natural instead of trying to play the part.

    You see on my personal recount, for 27+ years I was always aloof and suffered social isolation. I could only play games and have restricted interests and routines. Walking into a room people would pick up right away that I was either stiff or cold. It felt like a social blockage and could only talk to a few people that made me comfortable- aka mute selection. I was Always alone and wondering how people develop relationships so easily. I suffered irritations from too much lights and noises which I believe is linked to disturbing the undeveloped DMN. I was always thinking, trapped in my head, daydreaming of things that would never come true. I wanted to be apart of society and have lots friends but it seemed bizarre to me. How can I do it? When my family greeted family and strangers they reciprocated communication and expression of feelings so easy and natural and got on well from there, but when it came to my turn it was more of a acquaintance or a pity hello. That's when I decided there must be a way out. So for a year I practiced social ques but it was draining. I did ok but it was hard to sustain conversations and relationships as it felt like I was acting more and harder rather then being apart of the conversation. That's when I suffered anxiety and depression. I wanted to be normal so that I could adapt. Infact I've never felt what a connection until I've developed something that helped me unlock the social cues.

    But one day I did something remarkable. I believe I've managed to train up the frontal lobe of my brain which allowed me to develop properly. To initialise things so easy. to socialise and develop with people. Here's the thing. The day I "awakened" felt like my head was lighter. It took awhile to get into that state. It felt like I was able to take on the world and people didn't scare me anymore. My memory improved dramatically as well as the social anxiety disappeared but what shocked me the most and my whole family was this. Normally when it comes to dinner I would be laying down in my bed daydreaming or alone but I decided I was feeling brave so I ventured onto the table and sat with the family. They looked at me surprised but then I did the strangest thing. I started talking. It felt so natural. Instead of trying to think what to say, I just said it. It was like my mind aligned with my communication. I didn't feel like an actor or was I left out. It got to the point where my family were giving me eye contact and responses and asking questions like if I found a drug that fixed aspergers and I replied like it was nothing. Because I was so aware of what it's like to not develop with people, I felt a gush of perhaps a good feeling of reward but also was it felt naturally different. I was aware this is what neurotypicals feel like while I've just discovered it.

    So I'm looking for people who want to break free from this problem. That's able to comprehend simple instructions and want to experience what it feels like to be neurotypical. I need feedback, responses and maybe even discussions of why or why it wouldn't work. In saying that my goal is to help people. I know what it feels like to be trapped in the mind, alone and longing for what everyone has and now I'm experiencing it. Because my social ques are so natural, my expression of emotions become natural to the point that I feel and come across normal. Sometimes I'm chatting in a group and actually look like I'm apart of the group instead of a wall paper but actually wonder if this is what normal looks like.

    So here's my thesis that I wish to conduct. It might take a few weeks because you're developing the front part of the brain. The brain is a muscle is it not? Like when you go to a gym and you can't lift certain weights because you have developed the correct muscles so therefore the brain works the same way. It might not be just the mind alone but also what you can do with the brain. So as someone that only ever thought I was always aware about my body. I can only explain that when I had aspergers I felt like I was using mainly the middle part of my head and brain but upon doing this exercise I feel like a new sensation in the front section of the brain.

    So here's the instructions.

    Focus hard at an inanimate object such as pen for 20 seconds on and off. As if straining your eyes for a little while then relaxing. It should look like intense gaze at the object. After that control the focus and strain of your eyes to either half or 1/3 of it's strength so you should feel minimum strain behind your eyes. Learn to maintain that focus while comprehending things and reading or observing. Of course when you lower the focus and strength to 1/3 of the strain of your eyes, be sure to cover up your intense gaze with your normal or default look. Try to practice and think or feel like a pressure in the front part of your head.

    Within a few days, you should feel a slight pain sensation in the front part of your brain. It's the frontal cortex strengthening perhaps increasing blood flow and neurons there which is responsible for the social cues, development and emotional responses. It's noted the humans should be inbuilt with natural social cues. What you're also doing is building awareness as well and with enough awareness your brain should fill the blanks in for the social cues and development. It should be no different to when you're building muscles.

    People might wonder "all you're doing is straining your eyes" but what if neurotypicals have been doing it all along and they don't know it. What feels so natural to them compared to those that don't. The little strain in my focus is now gone. It feels like i'm aware and awakened too.

    Now the final phase is this. Test it out on a person or a close friend. Hopefully you should also be feeling brave at this point. Create eye contact with them and engage in a conversation. Just make it simple, don't over think or think. It should come natural. Obviously I will be discussing this in 2 other forums for as much feedback. I only want to help and if you think you'd found a cure or a change, then you'd want people to know.

    I am currently collecting feedbacks, evidence on brain research and matter into this.
    If you feel any change or feedbacks, please email me at [email protected]
     
  2. xudo

    xudo something V.I.P Member

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    Tl;dr. To be honest I got this far and stopped:

    It's cues, not ques. I do not wish to be NT or experience things as NT's do. I also do not 'suffer' from Asperger's. Without AS, I would not be me.

    There may be people who are interested in what you say you are looking to do, but I would not assume that everybody feels the same way that you do about ASD. Some of us see it as a gift, despite the issues it may cause.
     
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  3. Lifesahaze

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    On what literature - particularly neuropsychological - are you basing your research? How is altering eye gaze - whose neuroanatomy is at the back of the brain - supposed to impact on the frontal lobe?

    What controls do you have in place for this study, and what ethical issues have you considered in this study?

    I'm sorry, I'm not interested in this study; but I also have concerns about others taking part if the ethical aspects have not been considered. E.g. harm to participants.
     
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    Keigan Restless Mind V.I.P Member

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    You procedure does not make sense, you need to re-write that so people can understand it.

    I'm autistic, I don't suffer from autism. There is a significant difference between an identity and a condition.
     
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    I agree with xudo.

    I value the extensive reading, prayer, therapy and various methods I have engaged to develop social dynamics in small and large groups. It is helpful to be able to interact with others and join the table.

    I wish you well on your research and personal progress.

    As for me, I am done with investing energy to pass.

    I cannot and no longer wish to pass as NT,
    or any other type of being
    other than being simply me.

    Simply me.

    Quite simply,
    I have found unprecedented peace
    in embracing myself
    with kindness
    _finally_,
    even good humor
    about who I am
    and why
    I operate
    the ways
    I do me.

    Simply me,
    kind of shiny,
    not like everybody,
    just like nobody,
    except me.

    Simply me.

    I am good enough for me.

    Thank you for your offer,
    but no thank you.
     
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    Streetwise Active Member

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    im not a disease nts say suffer as they dont like autism
    so you are just making their prejudice stronger
     
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    Judge Well-Known Member

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    Sigh. Yet another anonymous "survey" to be suspicious about.

    "Suffered" aspergers ? Really? o_O
     
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  9. xudo

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    But...what if NT's haven't and all you're actually doing is straining your eyes?
     
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    I don't get the part about straining the eyes and focusing on an object (which I already do minus the straining) - what about focusing on faces instead? I also don't get the deal with the front part of the brain and a "sensation"...are you sure that's not something else? If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is - many of the "cures" out there available for autism have all failed remarkably, so I'm skeptical.

    I mean, never mind that there's no research or data provided to back this study up, or that neurotypicals are just as prone to a whole slew of mental health problems that can adversely affect social functioning, or that the entire premise of this study seems suspect...several people here on this forum have already stated that they're fine with their autism as is, so as far as striving to be neurotypical you're probably not going to find many participants here.
     
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    I think the first place you will run afoul of a lot of the membership here is addressing our conditions as something we suffer because you appear to in your own mind.

    Neurological diversity is a difference,not a disease that can be cured. Cure me? I don't think so,because it would only serve to hinder me sharing what I consider a gift.

    Look another human in the eye...Do we really have to,or can we just fake it to give the illusion to others that we do.
    I got a pretty good method down for that,where I focus on a point that is between their eyes. Works like a charm and isn't all that hard to do.

    Can I play neurotypical? Of course I can,because they aren't all that hard to figure out. It's a consistently repeated set of patterns,not some sort of secret code that they operate under.
    Try this out: They don't want you to tell them the truth,they want you to tell them what they want to hear.
    Problem solved,and they generally don't expect elaboration on it either,so that is small talk 101 in a nutshell.
     
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  12. NeoPhile

    NeoPhile Can I get a "Bright not Broken"?

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    Just how did you do this? I don't think I'm interested in your study. It sounds like psuedoscience to me. It's not for me, though.
    You are just one person, one aspie. What works for you may not work for others.
    Also, your post was so long I didn't read the whole thing.
    In any instance, welcome to Aspies Central. If you find people for your study, I hope you conduct things scientifically.
     
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    I didn't read it all either. The number of spelling and grammatical errors didn't convince me that this was a serious survey. I wondered if the poster was a non-English speaker, to be honest.
     
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  14. dr.thesis

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    That's why I've posted in one then more forums for discussion. It only takes one person to derail the thread then others will follow while a few other forums, people discuss objectively while some are trying this exercise out. what I'm looking for is trying it out then objective feedback. What will you lose? Nothing. If it works, what will you achieve? communication and people development. The feeling of connection isn't a magical thing, it feels real. It's not about being on a higher plane of awareness but rather communication and allowing the socially awkward to communicate their intellect effectively. I believe aspergers/autistics are sleeping geniuses, they just need a way to communicate.

    I understand about the worry about the participation but it's no different to working out in the gym. They can can stop the exercise anytime they like.

    It's not about the eye gazing. I know for a fact socially awkward people give or try to give eye contact but all they're doing is staring without awareness. With the strengthened front lobe as well as the intense eye focus, it gives the definition of what it feels like to be aware. People don't know what awareness/focusing feels like and have their own definition but I believe it's been narrowed down to being able to do it now. It will become Like a method if enough positive data has been gathered. With awareness and paying attention to detail, You're body is picking up the natural social ques without trying which then you can communicate easily to anyone. Don't you ever wonder why people communicate so natural yet aspergers people have to think before they talk. There's a reason why the saying "don't you think before you talk" and you wonder how is it possible to do such a thing. What I've noted is Neurotypicals have their DNM aligned with their communication.

    Also it's been noted when a patient undergoes lobotomy, there have been studies changes. Ranging from their personality to their emotions in the sentences turn dull. They have trouble communicating effectively but what's striking is they lose some sort of awareness. They're aware in their minds but not the outside world. What does lobotomy dissect? The front lobe part of your brain or rather disconnecting. In essence research is trying to conduct whether aspergers have some sort of natural lobotomy going on where their use of their front lobe is not effectively being used.

    Easy, then you won't feel any change, you won't be able to communicate as naturally. The method I have done allowed me to socialise. The best way I can describe it as almost like a power. When I communicated it felt so natural yet weird. It made me go "Did I just do that" As oppose to talking at people and trying my hardest when to think I could say. Infact I wouldn't be on this forum with this much details. I'd normally post a few words or one liners but now my expression not only permeates through my vocabulary but in my writing/typing as well.

    You are right. It is a diversity but what I'm trying to find out is not changing a person's neurological diversity BUT the social ques. If we can remove the social blockage then you'd retain your individual neurological make up but the difference is you can communicate. The best way I can describe is almost like activating your social antenna. It will be easier to communicate and people become more receptive of you and will approach you.
     
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    This is different to working out in the gym, if you are trying to suggest this as an intervention as part of a research study. There is an onus on the researcher to minimise harm to participants, and to have measures in place if unintentional harm does come to participants as a result of taking part in the study.
    If this is a real study, you need to have people allocated to conditions, and the conditions set - e.g. how long should people try this for etc.; it is unlikely that a study will 'break' without such methodological rigour. Additionally, it is unlikely that a study will 'break' without a more rigorous understanding of the mechanisms behind what is supposed to be happening.

    I still don't understand how the activity you propose is supposed to impact on the frontal lobe.

    I will respond no more, but I have significant concerns for anyone taking part in this study without the issues discussed being addressed.
     
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    As doubtful as I still am about this even coming close to working, I could keep an open mind instead, try it out and give updates on how things are going. Still have trouble with the straining and focusing part, but I'll do it again later...

    But - and I mean no offense here - this seems more like advice and a self-improvement exercise than an actual study. You are right in that there's nothing to lose, but when you're tossing stuff like this in the open and passing it as serious business people are going to be wildly skeptical, and rightly so. You seem like you have good intentions and I appreciate that, but please remember that others here and elsewhere have differing perspectives and that not everyone is necessarily "suffering" from anything.
     
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    It's too strengthen it. Read what the frontal lobe does. It allows communication to flow, pick up social cues normally instead of trying to do it every time to correct reply of voice tone as well as correct expression in sentences and situations. In MRI scans autism and aspergers have high activity of DNM while the frontal lobe activity is weak. In other words, for those that do want to communicate or feel out of this world, they're trapped in the rested state. By strengthening the frontal lobe and try to comprehend the world around us in that state you can pick up things more naturally.

    Also it's not pseudoscience. I'm trying to gather data first before I make claims. There's been a strong thesis/theory and hypotheses on this. It's only pseudoscience if it's claimed to be true.
     
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    Thank you. The reason why I mention the straining of the eyes and comprehending awareness, is hypothesized that aspergers and autistic people have trouble with connecting to other people as well as different things as a result of that. There's a rhyme and reason to why asperger people connect to say unusual hobbies and become intense at it is because when they fixate on that desired object, it is said he/she must have stimulated the frontal lobe which then connected to that particularly hobby or object, as in having "awareness" or bringing that object into his or her world . Hence, connect with it. When they rest or stop playing with that object, they go back to having high DNM. The whole idea is to try and get the aspergus person to replicate that feeling, that intensity and fixation of their hobby or object and to be able to sustain/control in all situations. Particularly social situations. Hence connection with people and the surrounding world instead of using all their awareness and fixation on one thing.

    I agree having aspergers is NOT a disease. It's a hidden gift. Sometimes the gift is too well hidden that people don't understand. To me and also noted by alot of people is that aspergers are sleeping geniuses, but what if the ones chose to woke up and were able communicate what was in their minds. Whose mind that have thought up a million things and observes, and yet they were able to finally communicate. The world could become a better place.

    I know it might seem like a self improvement exercise, but what if the answer was infront of us the whole time. It doesn't need to be complex or complicated with medication or certain chemical reactions, it's just there. Strengthen the frontal lobe, try to practice becoming aware and comprehend things. We are born with natural social cues. Why do some have trouble with it. Also by the way, if you feel endorphins or tingling sensation in the front part and top of your head, you're on the right track. It will feel like you're using something new inside your head.
     
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  19. xudo

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    Ok, so I'll just address the parts in your reply to my quote I've highlighted. I may not feel any change in my abilities to socialise, but I would probably definitely notice the strain to my eyes, so there's that. You've put me off even more by describing it as "almost like a power".

    The last part that I've highlighted isn't relevant in terms of what you're saying about your 'method'. Yes, you personally may have been bad at communicating online, and yes, you're now better at it. However, that doesn't lend any credence whatsoever to your 'method' as everybody is different. You will find that most of us on this forum have problems communicating in the 'real world', but we have little to no problem in using the internet to communicate with other people. Personally, I'm awful at real world social interaction, but I've never had an issue communicating via text.
     
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  20. Nitro

    Nitro Immoral Turpitude Staff Member Admin V.I.P Member

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    I'm not a sleeping genius,and I do not struggle with communication.

    I have used my intellect to better the world you live in.
    The fact that I made it to top level management might clue you in to where my communication and people skills lie.

    I wasn't trying to derail your thread,I was only pointing out what appeared to be obvious to me.
    My time spent here on earth was not always a struggle.
    If you have any suggestions as to how I could have improved my romantic relationships that I was a failure in,my ears open.

    While I admire your quest to improve autistic communication,if you really want to learn about something,I would suggest you listen more to what people have to say who might just know a little bit about it.
     
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